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We’ve been getting a lot of new premiums sold as bundles with inflated prices recently, so much so that it’s almost become the norm in both WoT and WoWS. And that, that is something of a problem.
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Very well said, Jedi, I agree 100% with you and I do think your idea about
the pricing is correct. Also, AW is very likely a big reason for the price
inflations as well-to milk as as much as possible, before we leave and
start playing AW(as it’s way more balanced and the developers are way more
responsive, do important stuff better and faster and also pay A LOT more
attention to the users-also the artillery thing…why the actual f*** did
WG need AW to come up with a different, way better mechanic of arty, if
ANYTHING else is better than what artillery is right now). I also respect
you taking a stand up to WG-I actually dont even wanna hear about the
tanks, if I will not ever be able to afford them(or, if then my conscience
would tell me I’m an idiot, for the rest of my life). I hope other
youtubers also make a stand with you, as it seems that’s the only way for
WG to change something(as logics and general opinion is not what they care
about-only the worsened cash flow will change anything at all).
What they probably think is-EU and NA people are rich, so they should pay
for everybody-especially the poor Russians(kind of like what the mindset
“previous” political system in Russia(Soviet Union) was-communist way). But
they are using the sickest capitalist ways to fuel their greed. Does
anybody else see this as ironic, as I think it is?
Good video, one of the reasons I stopped playing earlier this April.
Agreed as most of the other people who’ve commented so far. It isn’t
necessarily doing WG any good either because these price rises are the only
reason I’ve not brought a premium since January or February. I have
disposable income & I am happy to treat myself but there are limits when
what you’re buying amounts pixels.
Jedi, an idea. Why don’t you give us a video of a premium that is a better
option than these packages? Is there any premium available in the ingame
shop for just gold, that you consider value for money, fun to play, not too
expensive etc.? Maybe even do the best tier 6, the best tier 7 and the best
tier 8 premium? At least you will then earn some money with the video and
you will help your viewers. A win for both sides.
Got a poll running on the forums about this. Put this and an AgeingJedi
video up in there. Anyone who wants to register their opinion on the forums
please pop over, vote and post an opinion
Can’t post a link here but just search for “WOT to do about Bundles” on the
General section
well said Jedi!
Well said Jedi. Nice to see a YouTuber/streamer/community contributor
finally speak up on this topic. Wargaming won’t be seeing another $ from my
wallet. With the exchange rate as it stands those $50USD packages are now
$70+ for me.
EU special, £22 for a tier 7 Panther M10 (and gold) or £20 for the Panther
8.8 or other tier 8 prem…
Well you knocked it out o park with this vid Jedi. You’ve totally captured
my feelings towards WG right now! Last month my 1 year prem account
expired, and it is now 25% more than a year ago. Okay exchange rates may be
at play, but what WG want for premium buys a lot on steam. And premium tank
pricing, well I bought most of the premiums up to T7 in the lines that
interest me, but with the current packages WG can go jump. No more premium
time for me, no more premium tanks ( or ships ). I don’t regret the money I
have spent on WOT, a lttle here and there I felt only fair to support the
game, but the micro transactions feel more macro now! And down here in NZ
it feels likethe ping to SEA is getting worse and worse, but that is
another story….
Jedi i salute u sir & full support your decision, u r a very honourable man
who has said what many think & r willing to take a stand.
I have wanted a Waspit since I started playing but missed out on the last
sale but as soon as I saw it was in a bundle & really over priced I didn’t
buy it which sucks but I now refuse to pay over the top prices & would only
buy it as a stand alone item.
Keep up the good work & like oh so many I give u my full support ☺
Totaly with you on this one Jedi!
The really frustrating thing is that the packages used to be good. Now
they’ve just become a means of squeezing more cash out of the consumers. I
remember the Soviet TD bundle ages back, which was probably one of the best
I’ve seen them put on the gift shop. That gave both of the Soviet premium
TDs (at the time) at a really good price, with extras thrown in on top of
that as well at no extra cost, think it was like a £20-25 package. Good
luck getting good value on any of the current packages (read: inflated
premium vehicles with shit you’re not after).
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1700 mxn for the BT-SV? i mean it has 6500 gold and 6.5M credits AND a
month of premium BUT, thats a whole bunch of…. ¬¬ even the kv-220 wasn’t
has obvious , its ridiculous at best
Well said sir, it is just the same on the SEA server. I don’t often press
that like button, but this one got the big thumbs up.
I did get the Tirpitz as Birthday present, It will be the last package. The
Kannonan Panzer on the NA server I looked at it and laughed. I have 12 x
Tier 8 Prems and will never buy one if it is a more expensive package. In
fact I have not going more than 2 months without getting a new Tier 8 Prem.
That was until 4 months ago and have stopped buying.
“The Hellhound” – BT-SV SpecialOffer expires in 9 d. 155.99 NZD (99.99 USD)
garage slot in World of Tanks; 6500 gold;
6.500.000 credits in World of Tanks; 30 days of premium. That is a Joke in
very bad taste.
I totally agree. I can only play on NA server. The lie of New Zealand has a
better connection to Asia is a Physical impossibility. I get a message
every now and then I should change to South Asia server.
I am playing Warships until my Prem time runs out. then will wait till
Christmas keeping an eye on the WoT website to see if Wargaming.net becomes
reasonable again. before they get anymore money.
Even more strange is the weekly token for missing a mission weekend – the
cost is no where near the reward – seriously!
Well said, here, here. I have been feeling the same so have not bought the
last few ones and don’t plan to buy future ones.
I don’t particularity mind the bundles as much where you get the tank free
if you buy the gold and such like and of course I will eventually use it so
it’s not wasted. Although I find this frustrating and it feels non
rewarding to buy this way. Along with them normally being the low tier
ones. If they did this with the new higher tier ones I would feel better –
if they want us to spend more give us a ‘bargain’ for doing so.
o video on Youtube that only positive comments can come from, I take my hat
to you Sir.
The people in the meeting that agreed to these methods of ripping off
players should be slapped hard, and sacked! Maybe send them to the Gulag.
Preach on Jedi, you have the right of it. That is why I haven’t bought the
Tirpitz
It is absolutely ridiculous the way they are treating their customers.
If WG releases their “limited edition” tanks into the in-game tech tree,
they will end up making more money than they currently would in the long
term.
PHJ, I back up what you said, I liked your video because of what your
comments were. I am getting tired of these overpriced packages, and a few
other things. So I will stop buying for a bit, untill they release
something that I figure I need for a crew trainer for. The “Ancient
Weapons” event was boogus, 2 of the tanks I see for sale 2-3 times a year,
NA server never saw the M56 Scorpion appearance, so I am annoyed heavily.
Comments guy must agree with you, he never said anything this time.
WG greed. IMHO, it’s too extravagant for pixel tanks.
Agreed!
To be honest, I’m probably the kind of guy the bundles are aimed towards.
Mainly because I don’t actually buy premium tanks/ships that often and a
bundle sounds good as I don’t buy premium that often, either. But even I
had to take a step back and go “what the Hell”? when I saw how stuff like
the Tirpitz was stuck in nothing but bundles.
Honestly, I was tempted even so because I am running low on premium time
and I certainly don’t mind boosting my progression with signals. But seeing
stuff coming from Oake and yourself like this I tend to agree, this is just
bullshit from Wargaming. At the very least they should be offering these
ships and tanks as on the RU server, as both with and without bundles, so
that customers can get the value they think is appropriate. It’s not
costing them anything significant to have the digital goods in separate
bundles, after all. Hell, I’m betting all the purchase does is flip a few
bits from 1s to 0s (or vice versa) and that lets the game client/server
know that you can use the digital toy that’s already in the game to begin
with. It cannot be that hard to offer a slightly cheaper price to flip a
few less bits.
So yeah, I’m with you guys. I may be the kind of player who likes bundles,
but if this is the shit they’re going to pull, Wargaming can suck exhaust
pipes.
N1 Jedi. WG need to be called out on their greedy bundle tactics.
Well said!
100% agree with you concerning the inflated prices WOT are charging us. I
only wish all the youtube contributors would come together as a group over
this.
When low on cash, go full pirate. Arrrgh!
Good on you Jedi, EU getting hit way too much with this, The Rus servers
are able to pick up the tanks without the package..
I want that sherman.
Another point is the not unified gold and Freeexp between WoT/WoWP and
WoWS. Pure money grabbing.
BTW: The AMX 13 57 F was package-only too.
Liked and agreed with. It is rather eye-watering having to pay £36.89 for
what is a tier 6 premium + Enough gold to buy a Murmansk in game (if you
don’t already have one) + 2250 gold + 30 days of premium time.
With an equivalent perhaps being between £10 and £11 for a Tier 6 premium
tank in WoT.
A Murmansk costs £9.50, some napkin maths going off the average price of a
single piece of gold (using 30,500G = £73.78 and 14,500G = £36.98 as a
reference with rounding to second decimal), about £6.50 for 2250 gold,
still means the Warspite is £20.89 or so. Maybe £15 if you factor in the
premium time.
The same can be said of all standard premiums in WoWs being higher compared
to the prices of equivalent tiered premium tanks in WoT, though those
prices do go back a bit (How long has the SU-100Y been in game nowadays?).
Perhaps packages are openly blatant about this phenomenon of increased
pricing, but it isn’t the only thing affected by this trend. Unless WG is
pricing ships in relation to their actual cost as compared to a tank.
hear, hear! ;)
Spot On, good man.
like #334. stay pointy jedi.
i have never bought a tank as part of a package from WG, they never seem
like a very attractive offer
Serb need moonbase
This is the latest special on the NA server
$99.99
This package contains:
BT-SV;
100% crew – bonus;
garage slot in World of Tanks;
6500 gold;
6.500.000 credits in World of Tanks;
30 days of premium.
Last week it was this in a bundle:
$49.99 Kanonenjagdpanzer
I’m with you 100% mate. They’re taking the piss and, aside from the Skoda
(because I really really really really want it), I won’t be giving any more
money to WG until they get their shit together.
You should probably link this video on Reddit too, just to get your voice
heard by more people.
Go Jedi – great video about a very important topic. WG should listen to its
customers. Sell the vehicles / boats by themselves to lower prices and you
get more sales.
Pointy, I support your commentary here, thank you. I have only bought
things from WG twice. Mostly because wanted some of what gold could buy me.
But I hate spending money on the game and will rarely ever do so. I don’t
buy gold ammo, and I certainly will not be spending money on a mediocre
tank and a bunch of extra shit I don’t need. This new strategy on the part
of WG feels to me like they just got some new marketing ideas from
somewhere and have the greed raging.
Totally agree.
Fully agreed. It’s why I didn’t buy the Torpitz
Wll jedi i really fancied the Kanonenpanzer after seeing one for real and
it was your review that convinced me that it was a waste of money. So far i
haven’t seen a single one in game either so maybe folks are voting with
their wallets already. On the wargaming front it just sound like pure
corporate greed, nothing more. nothing less.
Not sure about the EU server, but here on NA the BT-SV was made available
in one of these packages, and you know what the price was in Canadian
dollars? $100. To put it in perspective, the Lowe is $70 CAD on its own.
And surprise surprise it’s part of a package containing the tank, garage
slot, 30 days of premium, 6500 gold, and 6.5 MILLION credits. Now if that’s
not the epitome of bullshit price inflation with packages, I don’t know
what is. I mean sure it’s a super rare tank, but making this novel but
otherwise run-of-the-mill tier 3 premium tank cost 30% more than the most
expensive tier 8 premium tank, which makes exceptionally good credit
income, is just absolutely preposterous. I can understand putting the BT-SV
in a package because it is a novel tank, but this is just too much. Cut the
price in half and maybe we got a deal.
Well done sir. I am an American, I run a premium account, i buy gold fairly
regularly and do buy the occasional premium, BUT, these packages that have
popped up are beyond what i am willing to spend. I could buy an entire game
for the price of these “special bundles”. If WG does not take a step back
and reconsider what they are doing, I may very well need to start spending
that money on other games. WG, you have a decent game (some balance issues)
that i enjoy and have put a great deal of time into, but if you continue
down this path, i will go elsewhere and i doubt I will be alone as I play
with 1/2 a dozen IRL friends who also run premium accounts, buy gold and
the occasional premium… I shouldn’t have to explain how this works to a
company…
BTW all these unique things come back with smaller packages or as reward…
think Tog2 or E25
It started around Xmas 2 years ago with the KV-220 +PointyHairedJedi
!!!Last year there was the BT-SV and don’t forget the Pz2 j for free with
100 euros of gold…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-28/billionaires-from-loeb-to-vekselberg-heed-call-of-cyprus-banks
This article has some interesting insights into WG’s financial thinking.
Well spoken Jedi and I’m happy to see one of my favourite WOT Youtubers
speak his mind about this package run wild actions from WG.
My wallet can take it (yes, I’m one of those with both age and income 🙂
but it just isn’t right what’s goind on here.
Can’t you play without caption guy? Ha Ha Ha! Just kidding. With regards to
your commentary; I am willing to pay money for vehicles and premium time
etc, but I also do not like the new packages and for that matter the
vehicles they’ve been putting out lately. I don’t see many Type 59 Pattons
anymore, I would bet a lot of people felt buyers remorse with them. The
Kanonen Panzer is a watered down E-25 and I don’t see many of those either.
The older vehicles they reintroduce are good, but too expensive! I really
like the game (with all it’s flaws) but I am getting closer to becoming a
play for free kind of guy. I have several premium tanks that I can grind
for credits, so once my premium ends, I will more than likely not renew it
until/unless WG starts being more reasonable. If theings continue to get
worse, I think I will give WT Ground Forces another look.
Here here well said PHJ decided this when Tirpitz came out.
Waited 3 years for first USA premium TD then refused to buy it because of
bundle. The more we stand up for ourselves the more likely we are to
succeed.
I’ve got a dozen premiums and play with a premium account but recently they
are just taking the p!ss.
Totally agree, well done Jedi. I pulled the plug on this game entirely a
few months ago. Just got too ridiculous with their money grabs. Play ARK
survival mostly now and enjoy it more for a much better deal than 1 tank in
WOT.
They’re not shooting them selves in the foot. They got mixed up and aimed
at their heads
In these kind of circumstances prices are always at the mercy of the
consumer. Sadly too many people are willing to spend $80-100 on these
packages because they are in need of the gold or premium time. As you said
in your video many of us aren’t though so it is really short-sighted of WG
not to give consumers more options. Perhaps they will wise up in the long
run, but for now I can say I won’t be buying any additional premium tanks
or ships for the foreseeable future. I bought the Japanese t6 Tiger and wow
did I regret that one. :D
So I am not alone with these kind of thoughts…
Sorry to say this, but it seems that enough people are buying these
expensive packages.
Yes you re right. The “video” reminds me the talk of the train game…. Do
you ever play again?
serb and his mum gave a thumbs down
Spot on, Jedi! I very much support your point of view.
1000% agree, Jedi. I didn’t buy a Tirpitz and although I really would love
the Kanonenjagdpanzer despite its disputable stats , just for collection
reasosns, I am absolutely not ready to spend hundreds of Euros for package
after package with premium time and gold in it that I am on top of that
used to getting a lot cheaper if I by is separately.
I also agree to your theory. Some bit of evidence: in last december the
ruble/dollar exchange rate tanked sharply due to the crisis in Ukraine and
Wargaming basically halved all the Dollar-prices in the RU shop as an
emergency measure. I suspect they have raised them again as the Ruble
recovered a lot since that but I suspect wargaming is desperate to make up
for the revenues they lost on that.
alas poor wallet, i knew him well…
Nice video! You hit the nail on the head! And i really hope there are not
too much people buying the expensive package shit…
Cause then WG will have no need to adapt their pricing strategy, and that
would suck.
Maybe you should send Jingles a message… i’m sure he would agree and
eventually join in.
Completely agree Jedi. Two months ago I said I would never give them
another cent after being penalised for my game crashing after that 9.9 POS
“update”. I complained and they said essentially “eff you” . Good on you
for saying “no, eff YOU”.
thing is, some tanks like the btsv and pz 2j, low tier unbalanced or over
powered in a situation type of tanks would, if priced the same as other
t2/3 tanks (£3) would ether flood and break low tier and stop new players
enjoying the game, and collecters/early adopters who bought box packages
that included a “rare” digital tank at a huge price would be understanably
annoyed. I dont think they are expecting most people to collect every tank,
plus most people after buying a couple of premium tanks realise they are
old tramps pants and just rock pimped elite tanks
true and I agree with you.
Well… I kinda totally disagree.
WoT is still F2P game, as long as those new premiums ain’t making it P2W –
I am fine with all of them.
Nobody is making you buy them.
Of course – I would love to play with B2, Rudy, KV-5 or FCM (ok, this one
is still available in game for gold), but I just cannot afford them.
So… I’ll stick with my T34-85 :)
I totally agree – paying a that amount of REAL money for a VIRTUAL tank,
it’s just not worth it. Especially if you consider that you can buy brand
new complete games for less than 100 Euros – which is about to become the
“norm” price for TWO tanks. Not ok. Not ok at all. Well spoken, Sir!
First off: thank you for speaking your mind despite it hurting your own
income and chosing to support the community rather than the company
2ndly: I totally agree, to the point where I am considering just dropping
my premium account all together because wargaming is just not listening to
the community anymore (the upcoming dynamic platoon voice announcement is a
prime example imo) or maybe even switching to armored warfare in the future
because they seem to be so much more community driven
Lol. If your biggest gripe with Wargaming is packages, you’ve got it good.
It could always be worse. They could be Gaijin.
I truly support your decision on this, as well as AgingJedi’s. Actually, if
they do sell these tanks at way too high prices, I would highly suggest,
that if they try this again, with three more premiums, you contact Jingles,
QB, AgingJedi and other community contributors and convince them all to not
release any videos of them. I’m sure this would finally leave a mark, that
WG EU can’t just ignore. It might be a bit risky, but we have to do
something about this. After all, they are making the game for US and so
they should care for OUR opinion!
Will never buy one of these packages. Wg will not be getting my money. If
they for sale without all the crap yes I would buy them.
On the NA servers the Berlin tanks you had to buy with either gold/time or
both. It was around 37 or 40 for anyone tank. I wanted just the tanks, well
the Cromwell and IS2 that was like 80, yet the packet for all four tanks
was 72. I got the four tanks, gotta say I’m really happy with them but, I
would have been more happy to have had the option to just buy just the two,
with out the price hick from “gold/GT”
I mean yeah the need to make money, but really I feel like I’m being shit
on, with these bundle only deals. They aren’t deals, the only thing you get
to keep is the tank unless you are banned, and everything else is just
dust, pretty dust mind you, that gets you more dust.
You sir deserve now a standing ovation of messianic proportions. Bravo!
Hell, this even gives you enough karma to play a couple more games in the
CGC! (Ok, maybe that is pushing it a bit too far)
I agree that the Russian economy going to the toilet has a lot to do with
it, but I also think the rising shadow of Armored Warfare put a big brick
on gas there to speed up this milking.
For a long time WG could just sit comfortably and do as they pleased with
their game because there was no competition and this niche segment had been
starving for action for ages. We all thought some changes could come when
Gaijin decided to throw their stick in the pile but it was not to be.
Gaijin wasn’t competent enough as a producer to handle it’s community and
it’s product was also found lacking. So WG slumped back into it’s throne
laughing and giggling. Russian economy could be going downhill but they
still kept their seat in the highly profitable free to play games ladder.
You lose the income from the smaller players but let’s be honest, those who
spend money on WoT mostly spend a load. They buy yearly premium time,
premium tanks beyond their need, cammo, inscriptions and so on.
And suddenly a new contender arrived. But this one was smarter in it’s
concepts. Instead of branching the niche like Gaijin tried, they tackled it
head on. Not only that, they have employed a far better monetary system
than their competition. WG got used to nickle & dimming it’s playerbase for
everything. Sure, it has gone down a few steps, but some of it still
lingers.
I think THAT is what branched this “bundle assault” on WG’s customers. The
closer we got to AW’s release, the more bundles and limited-time offers
started showing up. Just as Storm said there were no plans for more Premium
“avalanches” in WoT, there came bundles of expensive rare tanks and a
crap-ton of new ones. Suddenly all made clear as AW posted it’s OBT date.
I’m not saying AW is going to be godly and the best game ever, that is too
soon to say, but they did come with great propositions that improve on
WoT’s model by a country mile. Premium tanks have way more value as they
not only give extra credits but also help you progress the tech tree. Crews
are not bound to vehicles and have no penalties being moved around to suit
playstyles with their skills. No garage slot cost! PvE mode to grind your
vehicle if you don’t like it in straight up PvP or want to unlock some
modules first. Heck, you can progress the entirety of the tree via PvE. The
grind is easier on the player too, as module unlocks do not detriment or
hinder your progress in the line. And a personal base that gives you
bonuses (including reduction in Premium Time costs!) to your earnings, even
without premium.
All in all, I hope WG sees this as an opportunity to reformulate WoT and
keep it in shape. Love WoT, been playing it for years, spent more hours on
it than it is healthy, spent more there than I should have, but if they
don’t step up their game…heck, I’m finding all the value I need in AW so
far. Hopefully My(.)com doesn’t screw it up and hopefully WG improves on
WoT so I can have fun on both.
Thanks again Jedi for the awesomeness and the content. See you in your next
livestream (if I can find a magnifying glass =p)
I agree.
Totally Agree that the Bundles are just a way to Charge more for A Premium
Vehicle. That Said have you done a Skoda T-40 Video In case its a regular
in tree premium (thus nit you supporting the bundle model) and of the T-22
SR as its likely a reward tank for the rampage mode. Again not supporting
the bundle model
jedi says stop! no! and don’t!
For the price of one of these bundles, I could prepurchase Fallout 4. All
this bundled price gouging does is make Armored Warfare look more
attractive :-/
I really miss the possibility of buying ships for GOLD in the tech trees.
It was OK at first in warships too, we had lots of premiums for gold (then
most got removed).
We still have ships + slots only in the cash shop, but everything new since
a month? 2 months ? have been overinflated packages. Even the mikasa
(offered for 10$ CAD) on Asia was 30$ with pakage on EU and STILL not
available on NA.
I hope they change their ways. Thank god I had the WarSpite from early OBT.
75$ CAD… yeah… No as well.
Good for you , Jedi! I totally agree. On the NA server the Tirpitz package
is way over-priced, and I will not buy. Even the Atlanta, sold alone, is
expensive, too expensive even for a ship I would like. I think you are
taking the right approach, too, in stopping advertising Premiums for WG.
Let’s face it, we in the community have no way of knowing if these tanks or
ships are any good, unless you youtubers do the work for us. If you,
Jingles, QB, and the others stop doing that, it must negatively impact
sales. I don’t know what governs whether a tank/ship appears in the tech
tree for purchase or only in the shop, but the shop prices have been
getting crazier for at least two years. I would add as well, that I am
miffed that it appears that shared gold from WoT will not be available in
WoWs this year. I personally don’t plan on buying anything until I have
access to what I’ve already bought, even if it means I miss out on the
Polish DD.
Props to you for standing your ground! Let’s hope that they get their heads
on straight…
Jedi I absolutely agree with you , mainly becouse they dont listen to their
public in other important areas like arty problem, gold rounds, unbalanced
tanks and bad MM .
+PointyHairedJedi I totally agree with your video. WG is stealing other
people’s money by doing this..This is increasing a lot lately and probably
it will never change. If they keep doing this is because people keep buying
it. I told +AgingJedi about the price of the BT-SV here in the NA server.
U$100 for a Tier III tank. In fact you’re getting the tank for free, what
you are really buying is the 6.500.000 Credits, 6.500 Gold and 30 days of
premium. You know how much U$100 is in my currency? It’s R$405 (I can buy 3
brand new PS4 games with this money or even better, I looked here and I can
buy a new graphics card for my computer with this money).
+PointyHairedJedi I am totally with you on this point, I was wondering if I
am the only one who bothers about this. Thankfully I am not alone.
But: as someone else already mentioned, you should stay true on this
yourself, and also not accept those tanks/ships as gifts. That only means
the package gets bought anyways, only somebody else paid for it. WG doesn’t
care as long as the cash register goes ka-ching.
I want that M4A1. Seems to be my style spot on. But we know it’s not a
replacement for the CDC. So it will be a limited bundle package. So no buy
for me then. WG have defended the PZIIJ bundles for 99 euro with the fact
they push down Ebay prices etc. And it’s a rare tank. PIIJ is not a rare
tank anymore. It’s not the least played tier III. They sold 10 000 the last
time on EU and it’s battle count pr week for a tier III is in the middle of
the chart vs all the way down. They use the “rare” argument on the new
bundles to. But then again it is rare…. because they have never sold
anyone of em before. M56 sold 5000 the days it was on sale. VS 1300 SU-76I
that EU sold in the 10 min it was in the store. Why? Because the last one
was not in a bundle.
You sir, are right! And in the meantime the EU Community Managers are
nowhere to be found on the forums.
Video worth making…I play WoT Blitz and same goes here…Plus we get the
tanks with hideous paint jobs
Didn’t buy the Warspite…will buy a new graphics card instead **lol**
PHJ, I respect you for your decision, but it is biting the hand that feeds
you. I don’t know mate. I’d probably still follow your channel if you were
forced to cover MLP Online :P
Agree with you and +AgingJedi (I watched his vid too). If they were just
available as ‘tank-only’ deals they’d sell a lot more. I’d buy more if they
were truly ‘micro’ transactions but I don’t have 50 euros to throw around
every couple of weeks. I was lucky enough to get an E-25 when it was on a
discount – can’t see that kind of situation ever coming around again!
very good talking!
And saying out loud “no publicity for premium vehicles” that is realy
great. I always found it fishy to give free ads to WG for that stuff
specifically….hopefully other youtubers with some sense will follow your
lead! Jedi WG-yt-guy #1 ;D
Well said Jedi, well said Sir.
lovely to see ne of ypu youtubers stand up for us costumers!
yea, i agree. i am student(so have a low income) the money that is not
spent on alcohol i would spend on tanks not not at £20 for a package, this
is because i dont have the time to use the prem time and i don’t have the
need for gold. also i play semi regularly so i miss some of the sales on
tanks that have been on sale for a limited time.- i wold buy tanks if they
were cheeper and without the bundel. so how can they achive this drop in
price-GET RID OF THE BOUNDELS
Liked, shared, and of course fully agreed with! I noticed the Warspite too
this morning, but it was one of my Brazilian viewers who brought to my
attention the pricing of the BTSV (or whatever its called) in a $100
package on the NA server. But then bizarrely, they can buy the
Kanonenjagdpanzer on its own! No bundle and no mention of it being time
limited. Just…random.
Couldn’t agree more. It has got ridiculous.
Thank You Jedi. Very wise words you got here. I pay for premium account on
every month, I have enough premium vehicles to make enough credits ingame
and I wont pay these over 50€ prices. Just wont. Right about now I do feel
like taking this nights games on my E25, just for it being a cheap little
OP/removed TD and using it as a “invisible noob TD” Just for wargaming 😉
Hope to see some Patton 59´s on my way 😉 Keep up the good work!! :)
Well said Jedi. Now if they could just fix premium time to only work when
you actually use it. This would make me happy.
I honestly don’t mind spending a little money on this game (Jingles was
right, things in life are easier if you throw some money at them.) because
of the fun, engagement, stress reduction et cetera I get in return. But I
wonder if War Gaming understands that their pricing works against them when
they price things to the point that there is no fun to be had from them.
I’m grateful that they do give us the chance to earn Premiums of all
sorts in game for no money. (I’d be even more grateful if they would give
us the option, like they did here on the U.S. servers for the FV201 A45, to
earn much of a free premium in game then spend a little money to make up
any short fall. I say that because I just missed getting an E25 by 45k
points of damage recently.) Thanks for that War Gaming. However, my
general rule for spending money on the game now-a-days is to wait for
things to go on sale; half price is my price. And premium tank bundles are
not half price.
Just went on the internet to find out some information about Wargaming as a
company. Wikipedia had some facts (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wargaming_(company) )
This particular one caught my eye:
” As of 2015, Wargaming owns a significant share of the Cypriot Hellenic
Bank, and has shown interest in purchasing land property assets in Cyprus
for investment purposes. Wargaming is currently the largest taxpayer within
Cyprus. ”
And this one:
”During September 2015, The Cyprus Stock Exchange announced that it would
proceed with the delisting of Wargaming for “putting the interests of the
investors at risk.” Specifically, Wargaming was cited for failure to abide
by its obligation to submit and publish: a) The Annual Financial Report for
the year ended 2013 and b) The Six-Month Report for the period ended June,
2014”
Talking to someone who works in corporate law (banking), he posited an
interesting theory as to why WG bought the shares in the first place.
A lot of Russian based companies ‘parked’ funds in foreign banks as
insurance. When sanctions were applied to Russia as way of
punishment(Crimea), some foreign banks froze the assets of Russian
companies. In order to stop being a Russian company, many set up shop
elsewhere and became Greek Companies, British Companies….and yes, Cypriot
Companies. In doing so, this allowed them to purchase shares or controlling
stakes in financial establishments which just happened to be holding their
funds, now, you might ask, ‘Well as they are no longer Russian companies,
why buy the shares?’ well, what if, at some point they want to return to
Russia, at least then they will be able to access their funds, seeing as
they own the bank that holds them.
Something tells me, that WG may have large debts it needs to service or,
they are trying to make sure that they have enough liquid assets to become
landowners in Cyprus.
Incidentally, have you seen photos of their brand spanking new HQ building
in Cyprus, it’s very impressive and dare I say it, very expensive….
You hit the nail squarely on it’s head. I stopped playing ANY WG product
earlier this year (WoWP at last passed into hard drive oblivion in 2014 and
I stopped playing WoT in January of this year….WoWS was a non starter as
far as I was concerned….You can only play artillery so long before it
gets really old so it joined WoWP early on). War Thunder died on the vine
and Armored Warfare looks to be DOA. Only within the last week have I
tested the waters of WoT again but with the clear determination I would NOT
spend any real money on the game if/until WG catches a clue and drops
prices to a more reasonable level and breaks up some of the “packages” they
currently “offer”. Hopefully the gang at WG will wake up and smell the
vodka and take note that it’s core player base is prepared to look
elsewhere for a game to play and enjoy. Excellent video as usual. Keep up
the great work!
That business with the Tirpitz being available as a standalone on the RU
gift shop only is probably what I have found most vexing about WG’s recent
money policies. Next in line would be the apparent liberty they feel to
nerf WoWs pre-order premium ships compared to how they normally are about
not changing stats on premiums.
Our wallets are really the best way to get the point across to WG on these
bundles. Unfortunately, there will still be people who buy these bundles,
and it will take time for WG to realize that this approach is hurtful to
the bottom line, months, maybe even a year. It’s also even possible that WG
will learn the wrong lesson, and decide it’s that much more important to
wring as much money as possible from those who still go for the shiny
things. Free to play games have to make money, and I respect that, but
aggravating and alienating the player base is never good for the bottom
line.
Good on you Jedi for putting your foot down and refusing to cover premiums
with nonsense pricing/availability. I think I’m going to head over to your
Patreon ;)
100 dollars for a BTSV on NA.
I definitely think Wargaming are getting greedy and trying to milk the
playerbase for all they can get. Don’t buy any of the bundles and they will
soon get the message.
If you get the chance of a Q&A with the CEO like you did at tankfest I bet
he evades answers to this question or comes up with a bullshit answer. Is
Caption Guy behind you in this crusade or in hiding from the Russian hitman
on his way to your house. Noticed other contributors have already put
videos up of these tanks . Keep up the good work ?
It also pays to be vigilant with these packages (if you continue to buy
them).
A while back there was a package on offer which included a tank, garage
slot and 50% crew (all what was once normal), plus gold and 30 premium
account. I can’t remember the particular tank or the actual cost as I
didn’t buy it, but I do recall doing the sums, only to discover that I
could buy all of the individual items (the tank was still available as a
stand alone item at that time) for less than the cost of the package.
I feel I’m going to have a lot of heartache over this new tier 8 french
Sherman. I love Shermans and I try to collect them but with all the bundles
at the moment I’ll probably give it a miss…
PHJ, got to say that I totally agree with you there 100%. I think Aging
Jedi mentioned something similar to this a few weeks ago. Like you he
seemed rather pissed off that WG are doing this.
I had a choice 59-Patton or Civ V BE Rising tide and Cities Skylines after
dark…. You can guess how I picked… Too much bundles must be REMOVED
Wish more youtubers would bring this up.
I think it was you that mentioned the WG CEO at Tank Fest this year
mentioned that 75% of clients still play for free. Meaning that us 25% are
paying for all of the development.
Well I have decided that not only am I not going to buy any more premium
tanks until they get their act together, I’m also not going to buy anything
else. Yes – I’m slipping over to join the 75% and will play for free until
they fix this and other problems, or it dies – whichever comes first.
I would make a more detailed comment but it would either be a stream of
obscenity directed at this gouging policy or simply reiterate what Jedi has
already stated.
I used to be a ‘collector’ of tanks and pretty much bought any premium that
came out but this shameless fleecing of everyone for fairly poor performing
tanks culminating with that ridiculous Euros 50 for a tier4 740f. I have
more premium time than I can possibly need and more gold than I can expect
to use especially as you can’t actually buy any premiums with it because
they are all in these stupidly overpriced bundles only.
You’d think, after all the money they have made with WoT, that they’d stop
trying to suck all the money from all the people all the time. HARVEST THE
WHALES!
So in other words, the Fat Cow that WG had in their russian servers is
sucking up the last bottles of milk, and now are looking for other regions
to keep its steady flow of cash coming.
Interesting…. You know what WG, since that decline on russian servers is
happening, then how about this suggestion: stop making russian tanks,
finally remove the bias you have towards them (you can start with IS7 and
make that tank balanced) and start launching other nation’s tanks with
regular prices. THEN you can have a new Fat Cow that is not russian cow ;)
I am right behind you on this matter. But I hope you are going to stick to
your principles by not only voting with your wallet by not buying any of
these packages, but also not accept gifts from fans as that would be
somewhat hypocritical and a tad disingenuous.
They have decided to make money. Your decision is noted. I will now go
watch entertainment videos.
Well said Jedi – these packages are ridiculous. I’ve love to know how sales
of these packages are going? i know i havent seen many of those
Kanonenjagdpanzers on the battlefield… but maybe that’s because they are
not very good?
#iamwithjedi
i agree, im not buying tier 6 pixel tank for a price that would buy me 50
beers.
Totally agree with you, I myself am not buying a single tank that comes
packaged with gold/premium time that I may not need at the time.
if they still continue im not going to buy anything from wargaming
Well said Jedi, I would have bought the Warspite if it was only the ship,
but with bundles, i’m not interested! I hope the other contributors will
join on this, especially Jingles.
Well, PointyHairedJedi I agree with you. Just as an example, I would have
bought the Kanonen Jagdpanzer that just got on sale on the EU Server if it
didn’t come with a 30 days premium (I already have) + gold I don’t need for
the price of 50€. And I know I’m not the only one not buying it for that
reason. I also got shocked to see some over powered tank such as the Panzer
IIJ going on sale from time to time for the price of 100€ in a package. And
some people bought it because it’s so over powered. Now I’m asking myself
what’s going to be the next step. A type 59 coming with 10.000 gold and 1
year of premium for 300€ ?
This is so true! I’d hope that Jingles would talk about this too. I have
only bought the skoda t-25 cause it was quite cheap , and it isn’t OP or
anything , only for moneymaking. And I think that prem account thingy is
just broken too , I think that prem account should base on the hours that u
actually play , not like months and stuff. Every time u go to game the
timer should start ticking and when u go to garage it should stop.
What I don’t understand is wouldn’t also having just a ship/tank for sale
and a bundle option generate more money? as it’s possible more people would
be willing to buy said ship/tank if it was at a cheaper price and those who
want the extra stuff can just get the bundle. What would be the bad points
in having it this way?
PHJ, now you say it. I do realize it and I fully stand behind you, but they
may have another reason to why they are doing this. I assume they have made
enough money with WoT that they can take a dip in the economy without a
problem. so maybe with the upcoming 10.0 there is gonna be something big.
I’m so pleased you’ve taken a morale stand even though this may have a
negative effect on you, be proud of your self! I’ve got the warspite when
you could buy it in game and it was still expensive, it’s a joke now
Well said Mr. Jedi. Total respect for you releasing this video.
Vote with the wallet. That’s about the only thing that could change how WG
is doing things right now. I couldnt agree more with this video Jedi.
i bought almost any prem tank/ship. i have over 450days playtime and lots
of gold wich i cant even spend for something usefull. so i stop buy these
“special offers”. beside that, the patton and kanonenjagdpanzer are simply
not that good for this price.
Playing both pc & console versions, I have spent more than I should on
premium tanks but no longer with the way these packages are being sold. I
would’ve purchased several of the recent tanks offered, but not as
overpriced packages.
Yeah. I totally agree with you PHJ. I wanted the Tirpitz, but then I saw
the price, and instantly closed the web page. and been like that every time
I wanted a newish prem tank. bundles freaking everywhere, to “justify” the
high pricetag.
Something needs to change, I feel amoral just thinking about playing their
games.
I’ve got almost every premium tank in the game, I haven’t bothered buying
anything since they kept putting things in bundles. There is no way I’m
paying 100 dollars to buy crap to get the BTSV. It’s gotten to the point
that between WG’s greed, WOTs matchmaking, and artillery that I’m playing
armored warfare more and more. I’ve become disgusted by wargaming, it was
only after AW came out with their modified artillery mechanic that WG even
started at redoing arty.
Those prices pretty much stopped me from getting the Tirpitz and the
Warspite. I could either buy a Tirpitz or now a Warspite or I could buy
Fallout 4. I went with Fallout 4. The prices are pretty much ridiculous now
a days from WG. It is almost getting horse armour DLC ridiculous.
I only have only bought 1 premium and that is a Tier 6 German tank(which is
in the Tech tree) so my say may be off. I do agree that more premium
tanks should be offered regularly in the shop and not as a limited time. I
buy gold only and at times may be per swayed to spend it but only on Tec
tree tanks. It would be nice if WOT offers a site where you can look up all
the tanks it has offered(IF WOT does would someone inform me). That way a
player might be able to see what the weaknesses are without looking for
YouTube reviews.
The Warspite bundle doesn’t bother me. What pisses me off is (at least here
in NA) the BT-SV for 100$. I mean, you get 100$ worth of gold, but still.
i couldn’t agree mor PHJ. So I guess the only thing to do, is not buy those
packages and they will learn the hard way :-)
Great informative video, you have my support, unless premium for half a
year comes into discount
ty pointy haired jedi!! this is ridiculous and we need changes
Excellent video, got a lot of respect for you taking a stand.
If they offered ships alone without the extras I would definitely be more
willing to purchase, or even if they offered a reasonable discount as part
of the package it might make it tolerable but as it is I don’t think I’ll
be spending any more money on the game.
Thanks for speaking up about this its been winding me up for months.
Good observations.
it seems they have given up on trying to get the people that don’t spend
much on Wg games to spend a little extra and are switching to just trying
to milk more out of the people that do already spend money on the games. I
was actually interested in getting the Tirpitz but when I saw it was in a
bundle, I ended up not buying it, lose lose, WG got no money from me, I got
no Tirpitz :/
Need some help in World Of Warships… Anyone know a place where I can a
list of keyboard keys in controlling besides in the game. Like the one
that allows you to follow your shots?
you´re so right m8
War Gayming is trying to get it’s licks in before Armoured Warfare kill
them.
You could buy IS-2, Cromwell B and Rudy(as a trio) in one package without
any additions. Otherwise there were packages containing one specific tank
and gold.
+pointyhairedjedi, i totaly agree that EU players gets milked by WG.