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War Thunder – MM and BR – ‘Much Balance’ ////

Sometimes the things that happen are so stupid I don’t even know what to write here.

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379 Comments:

  1. Sometimes the things that happen are so stupid I don’t even know what to
    write here.

  2. Gaijin potatoes doing there usual job.

  3. Working as intended Tovarish Magz!!

  4. Gaijin’s new “Balanced MM” on Hokkaido: a brit team of all tempest V’s and
    spitfire mk xiv’s and xviii’s against an American team of all f-80s.

  5. Its fucking bullshit i had hole team of piston engine fighters and guess
    what the other got the hole team got jets and we wiped there asses and we
    won

  6. VERY RUSSIAN
    =You need better, we give u worst= )))))

  7. clerkmaxwell does warthunder

    Time to change my channel name :p

  8. well that sucks

  9. That ending cracked me up!

  10. to be honest, ever since the BR ranking/match making came in, the has gone
    down hill completely. miss being able to unlock multiple aircraft at once
    :(

  11. War Thunder has so much potential, but Gaijin is just throwing that all
    away.

  12. Norbert Buszka (Hussar)

    U know Magz that while being top 6.7 in ground forces, the new matchmaking
    doesn’t apply? Other than that. Yeah. Everything is right what u say.

  13. Gaijin you expecting a fucking hiv attack right fucking minute shits hit
    the fan and sprayed every where

  14. gaijins logic = putting the same amount of a tanks or planes in that br
    changes the results of the battle …. complete bullshit i can take a m41a1
    into a top tier battle against t54s and stuff and still wreck them with no
    problems, i think battle ratings are for people that need an excuse to
    bitch when they get killed.

  15. I was waiting so hard for you to upload this, thank you!

  16. Agreed on every fucking word

  17. Internetzspacezshipz

    RIP War Thunder, you will be missed.

  18. so 8.3 – 6.0 so nothing that effects me cause grinding jets without money
    is FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  19. I like that this will have the opposite effect of making the MM Queue
    shorter- I mean, how do you find matches when nobody’s fuckin playing?

    I’ve been watching Warthunder to find a time to jump back in- when
    matchmaking isn’t so hopelessly broken and when I can get matches where my
    kills and deaths feel earned rather than the result of sealclubbing or
    exploiting undertiered aircraft. This is just putting me off coming back
    even further, christ.

  20. Loved the video. Just a little clarification which will make you fel even
    better. The m103s mantlet is still bugged in places and can be randomly be
    penned by the stock and new upgraded is2 shell.

  21. No Russian bias here Comrade…just some random “balance”. G-6 fighting
    Yak-15 and Yak-17s and La-9s….oh god..

  22. No Russian bias here Comrade…just some random “balance”. G-6 fighting
    Yak-15 and Yak-17s and La-9s….oh god..

  23. I feel like someone is telling them the wrong info. I feel like no human
    being could be dumb enough to do the complete opposite of what the fix to a
    problem is. Oh well, I am still going to spend money on this game
    regardless

  24. Working as intended,
    comerade))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    Small family company, this update was good idea))))))))))))))

  25. No idea WTH Gaijin is thinking always having Germany fighting post WWII
    planes…..

  26. A-fucking-men. This mini update is such bullshit I’ve given up on this game
    until they fix this shit. I’ve redownloaded BF4 and BF3, so I will stick to
    them and GTA V, no need to waste my anger on Gaijin or this game anymore
    until they open their ears and listen to the damn community for once. On
    top of this, the British tanks coming next patch aren’t in fact the tech
    tree, but premium tanks we have to pay for when we were promised British
    tanks this patch. It’s all a fucking money grab that isn’t going to work.

  27. Apparently someone on the forums opened up a topic with this video,minutes
    later moderator came in and locked it for this reason: Yewhew :
    Posted Today, 04:08 AM
    If you want to post a youtube video on the forums, it will have to be
    without profanity and xenophobia. Locking.

    THANK YOU MAGZ,thanks for being so vocal and liberal about this issue that
    is plaguing the game.Unlike other youtubers *cough* entak *cough* you’re
    actually speaking out and being informative about the product that is War
    Thunder,i salute you,sir with all respec! As a veteran player i feel the
    pain,now,rant!
    Talk about this on the forums and the power hungry mods will hunt you down
    and mute you without question.
    “Thank you” again,Gaijin,you never fail to deliver…well…fails. A big
    FUCK YOU is well deserved.The community has been raging on and on and on
    about this,came up with countless fixes for you and valid B.R models that
    would (in theory) fix this for you,but no,again,you decide to run this
    amazing game into the fucking ground as if it’s your job to do so,i
    swear…i don’t know where this game/company is headed,if i were you,i’d
    sell it off to people who actually CARE for their community and
    feedback,fuck you,Gaijin,straight up,Fuck.You.

  28. My only question with all this BR and MM crap the gaijin has pulled is how
    it will affect your videos. WIll you grind it out hoping it will get
    “fixed” or move on to different simulators? Still like to watch your videos
    regardless of what you play.

  29. Has this already been implemented? Thought they were going to implement it,
    but had not done so yet.

  30. Is Gaijin deaf or stupid? Or both? We asked for them to increase the amount
    of BRs and they do the exact opposite

  31. Yeah what the fuck. I’m not even a good player and I’m annoyed. Especially
    with their trend of downtiering U.S. fighters that are JUST FINE, just
    because most of their pilots think that turn fighting on the deck is the
    best place for a P-47, or in this case, a P-51 or a F-4U.

    I mean, the jet BR fiasco doesn’t affect me (yet), but it still just shows
    how stupid their view of “balancing” is.

  32. What happens when we ask Gaijin to expand the BR spread? They compress it
    even more. GG mate, GG.

  33. +MagzTV “I underestimated the power of Vodka and bath salts” Made my day
    man ;)

  34. Thank you Magz for doing this video. If they had said quantities mm = WoT
    mm then I would have understood. Instead like always they try to hide
    behind a wall of pretty text.

    Furthermore is Gaijin deaf, blind or stupid? Or all three? We ask them to
    increase the amount of BRs and they come along and do the exact opposite

  35. ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  36. Well I knew this video was coming … *Grabs popcorn*

  37. I for one wouldn’t blame you if you jumped ship to Wargaming for a bit. I
    hear World of Warships is pretty popular as of late…

  38. So Gaijin decided to commit seppuku after all…

  39. Gaijin as of right now are killing the game.

    i’ve put around 2000 hours into this game, spent way too much money on it.
    Seriously way too much.

    But even i am on the edge of giving up on it completely.
    There will be a huge backlash of players leaving if they don’t fix this
    fast, and i will be one of them.

  40. * Grabs popcorn *

  41. Max Harnden-Castillo

    This why I watch you Magz, no one else will say this, maybe jingles to a
    smaller scale, but you’re really laying it out for us, thanks and keep
    making videos

  42. It’s really stupid. I hate taking out my 6.7 tanks and facing 7.7, which
    currently consists of the IS-4 and T-10M. I’ve grinded out the Leopard a
    few days before the downtier. I honestly feel bad for people at 6.7 who are
    going to be stuck there.

  43. I love the fact that they still released it exactly as they said after just
    about every single person that commented on the dev blog post said it was a
    bad idea. i didnt see a single person saying anything positive about it
    even. it was almost all “dont do this shit gaijin” or people that werent
    sure about it and said they didnt want to judge it before they had played
    with it.

    why even allow comments if you dont want to listen to them gaijin?

  44. I actually stopped playing WT almost half yeah ago. Sometimes I think the
    developers completely lack of common sense. I’m playing WoWS and it’s
    fun… WT is not fun for me anymore

  45. i dont think they are playing the game they’re making…

  46. They are gonna screw this game up like Star Conflict! Lmfaoooo

  47. Nothing anyone can do..Gayjin has been and will always be a clown show full
    of uneducated morons.
    They had one of the best games out there (potential wise) back in the good
    old days.
    I started playing Wartunder on PS4 as it was free..so i tried it, got
    hooked..and loved it. Then they combined PS4 with PC and from then all
    everything went to shit. It’s unplayable for PC users..imagine how it is on
    PS4..low fps, horrible control schemes on the controller..etc.
    They smelled the blood in the water and got too greedy..similar to
    wargaming..2 prime examples of developers that never and will never listen
    to the actual customers.

  48. You tell them Magz.

  49. Well I faced a MiG-15 in my He 162 yesterday… and F9Fs…

  50. Lets be honest Magz, u are not too good in tanks, a good tank player reks
    any IS2s or even T54s with the Tiger 2

  51. i think im gonna stick to events and enduring confrontation…

  52. Someone posted your video in a topic on forums and it got locked in minutes
    , because censorship tovarisch)))))))))))
    Good thing those cancer spreading cocksuckers mods from Gaishiiting ( like
    Yewhew ) can’t censorship stuff here)))))

  53. And this affects tanks even more since your effectiveness in tank combat
    has more to do with the machine than in air combat, where a good pilot at
    least has a chance when defending himself against superior aircraft. This
    is because no matter how good of a tanker you are, you just can’t hurt a
    tank you can’t penetrate.

  54. Blah blah blah, matchmaker…blah blah blah, quantitative…. The real
    thing that has me really pissed as a vampire pilot: WHY IN THE NAME OF
    SANITY, IS THE VAMPIRE BR 7.3 AND THE FUCKING F2HIV BR 7.0? please tell me
    what makes the vampire better than the banshit? Gaijin seriously thinks
    that the vampire has a chance against Cl13’s and F2 sabres? THE VAMPIRE WAS
    STRUGGLING WITH THE BANSHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE! FOR FUCKS SAKE
    GAISTUPIDJIN….

  55. wait so is my thach buffalo is going to be reserve when they get done with
    this?

  56. Maybe Google isn’t working properly from English to Russian so that is why
    they are doing the opposite of what we want

  57. I was wondering why my fw190a-5 what getting into games with ta-152 and bf
    109 k-4 well now I know

    I done with this for the time being

  58. F4U Corsair’s Tovarisch xaxaxa
    just a small non buffalo example…

    the matchmaker is so fucked. I am never playing over BR 5.7 Tiger 1 again.

    also, check your aim, Magz. Horrible overshooting with the pak43

  59. Rooster Henningaway

    just flew a game in my vampire, my whole team was panthers and a5 sabres,
    germans had 1 me 163 and hortons

  60. Well I guess it’s back to Elite: Dangerous I go. At least Elite’s combat is
    balanced and I know that if I die it’s because I made a mistake or played
    like an idiot. Please Magz come back to Elite

  61. RE: BRs and matchmaking: Garbage in, garbage out

  62. hey gaijin? ffs what vodka are you drinking? none of us wanted this!

  63. First realistic arcade matches, then mixed RB battles (arcade+), and now
    this?

    Gaijin have scored a hat trick of stupidity.

  64. I don’t get why they even felt the need to do this?!
    Remember when the IS-3 was at 7.0, facing Tiger E’s and Panthers? They
    moved it up, of course, it proved to be stupid to have the IS-3 that low.
    Why would they think it was a good idea to move even stronger tanks further
    down?
    There is literally no positive side effect except cue time, but who gives a
    shit about cue time?

  65. Woo hoo, Magz is on fire ^^
    I gave up on the MM thing, if i fly an a6m2 and i see a sabre, i’ll try to
    shoot it.
    I was expecting a word on the module changes, but i suppose it’s bad for
    our hearts.
    The only things i care about, now, are RB map rotation, and enduring
    confrontations. The rest is wtf everywhere.

  66. All I heard from the devs was “queue times” challenges , hence, the not
    very urgent effort to make the right changes. This perhaps makes WoT and AW
    better “tank” games?

  67. Don’t mind me anybody, just waiting for the DCS engine update while
    installing Armored Warfare. Gaijin, the definition of going full retard.

  68. B. oamere (Boamere)

    *rubs hands together* oh boy oh boy, this goin’ to be good

  69. Gaijin have always been derpy and incompetant, but this BR patch takes the
    piss so much that id have just fired everyone responsible if i could, its
    that terrible and just impossible for anyone with half a clue to think the
    changes even made any sense.

  70. B. oamere (Boamere)

    This update is like a US bias update holy shit

  71. Who ever is in charge of balancing this game should be sacked, preferably
    before all the players leave in disgust.

  72. B. oamere (Boamere)

    I bet they moved everything down so they can introduce 1960s jets at very
    high bt without telling us….

  73. Gaijin is literally stupid for thinking this would help and that it would
    work like, do they even play there game??? Have a play of tier 5 germany
    (tanks) pls gaijin because ur t54 and t10 op toys wreck everything. Even if
    u shoot the russian tank and pen ur most likely to have ur shell do
    absolutely nothing. And dont worry the space exploration for stalinium is
    going just fine. The yak3p has reached new planets that are rich in
    stalinium and the la9 has been steady in mining the stalinium from the
    moon. This should boost the production of T54s and T10s protected by the
    power of stalin up and they will continue to rek all normal tanks. Anyway
    this new br system is stupid i just got my f30 sabre and im fighting
    ho-229s like seriously gaijin…

  74. I had no idea about this patch, then suddenly last night i was playing my
    ho229 when I saw a banshee and a saber I was like O.O wtf and of course we
    lost. And i just had unlocked the ho.

  75. Gaijin is worse than EA.

  76. I fucking love you for this video. Hit the nail on the fucking head with
    this bullshitery of a patch.

    Your accent is also quite awesome I must say. 😉

    You sir, just earned yourself a sub. ^-^

  77. Man, I love the new matchmaker! 😀 I really enjoyed being clubbed in my
    Tiger 2 H by IS3 back then. Was really sad about it that it got bummped to
    8.0 :/, but know I can even enjoy being rofl stomped by the entire Tier 5
    cold era tanks from Russia AND the USA! 😀 Awesome! “Do you ever wonder if
    you can stand a chance against Vietnam war era tanks in your world war 2
    tank? With inferior armor and penetration? 😀 Find it out now! Here in War
    Thunder! Join the war.” /sarcasm

    fuck this shit, I don’t know what to say about it. Did the guy, who came up
    with the “Let’s let the IS3 face WW2 tanks! That’ll be great! :D” got a
    promotion? I had a little bit hope, that 7.7 tanks would remain the same
    and I could stand a better chance against limited Leopards and T54 Mod.
    1947, but now… ugh

  78. Man oh man, sabres now can see props in 6.7 again? Freaking looks like 1.37
    all over again. I’ve heard of taking one step foward and two back, but this
    is just moonwalking back in time, i’ve been saying this for a while now but
    wtf are they doing? If the intention is just to sink the game into it’s own
    death i guess congrats, it’s working.

  79. f-ing brilliant video ..well said mate

  80. Just when Japanese Tier IV props were somewhat safe from the F2H at a
    1.4-1.7 BR difference. NOW WTF 7.0 BR WITH THE F2H. I would occasionally
    fight them in my Ki-84 Otsu and Hei but now its pretty much certain.

  81. VODKA AND BATHSALTS. TOPFUCKINGKEK M8

  82. I think most of your subscribers would stay if you quit War Thunder. It was
    a beautiful game, but many of us have moved on. Do what you love!

  83. part of the problem in my opinion is that props have BRs from 1.0-6.3,
    while jets only have 5.7-8.3. With very little room for jets, a time where
    tech was rapidly improving, balance can’t exist. Unfortunately gaijin is
    unwilling to listen to players, believing they know better. I could be
    wrong, maybe they do, but at this moment, i dont think they do. If they
    extended the BR from 0.0 for reserves up to 10.0, then things could maybe
    work. But I doubt gajin would ever even bother thinking of a brilliant
    solution. After all, everything is perfect!

  84. I was fighting a team of Banshees with my D-13 :)

  85. Ya…this is crazy. Things have continued to just drop off. Remember the
    time of Realistic Arcade “Plus” was introduced and we all got together to
    sign a forum petition to have them immediately reverse it?? That is when
    things have taken a MASSIVE nose dive. I am more of a sim flyer myself, but
    I can not handle that anymore either. It is a shame, the game has so many
    awesome planes and tanks with potential…yet whoever in the world sits
    behind that desk – must not play the game, nor know anything at all about
    what the community thinks. I have sadly stopped paying and now pretty much
    stopped playing this game. Such a shame. Thanks for the video and your
    insight Magz.

  86. yeah have not played in almost two months I think i’ll uninstall.

  87. Magz
    I wish you had more subscribers and a bigger impact on the game ….

  88. Welp um you know i liked the br as it was for jets yes the 262 did get bad
    mm but now the 9.3 br or whatever is gone its worse idk what is going o. In
    gaijins company rn but there game is gone if they dont put it back to as it
    was

  89. Okey, just got to the part were the Is2 series got buffed and… as a
    German tanker in BR6.7 I’m losing faith in this game. Maybe it’s time to
    say bye bye to that 155 days log on streak.

  90. Hey guys do you remember Arcade maps with realistic planes?
    This feels kinda like it

  91. Not surprised at all. Just disappointed to the point of adopting grim
    schadenfreude.

    Future fixes, like to bombers in Simulator ought to be rather amusing.

  92. dammit gaijin. right as I unlock the 162. whelp I guess I better start
    grinding to f2h and sabre.

  93. dammit gaijin. right as I unlock the 162. whelp I guess I better start
    grinding to f2h and sabre.

  94. Well said good sir. I do think that you tubers have a role to play to
    spread the message and this is brilliant. Us subscribers have to view and
    like the heck out of this. I agree that the motive *seems* to be to reduce
    higher tier queue issues that are there because the cost and grind of late
    T4 and T5 is so bad that players are not playing at that level.It terrifies
    me that the clubbing and repair costs are going to make players lose lions.
    They won’t play because they can’t afford to (Lions not GE). The queues
    will get longer… Gaijin need to ENOURAGE average (or worse) players to
    play in T5 but making sure they can afford it. Make it worth their while.
    That will fill the queues. Looking forward to seeing the stats and how
    things develop over the next few weeks.

  95. Eroberer von nichts

    yesterday flew out my F2H and fought a full team of props not a single jet
    on the enemy side -_- I don’t want to play a battle I’m going to win just
    by looking at the enemy. Gaijin is just a bunch of nut jobs. This game did
    have potential, I don’t believe it does any more. Patch after Patch Gaijin
    drives its own game into the ground.

  96. Angelo Christakakis

    But why?? I love this new MM it so fun

  97. That’s it, I’m done with this game.
    Lowering the BR span even more…you can’t be fucking serious Gaijin.

  98. Oh boy. I was waiting for this one.

  99. Gajin needs to stop adding new planes and fix the ones they have now, they
    need to objectively reassess every planes BR in the game based on
    performance. They need to not have player stupidness influence the BR.
    Right now high tier prop matches suck

  100. love you magz i have to same feelings about thier bs matching system
    they never listen to thier community at so fuck them

  101. Reminder that the P51Ds are now at a lower BR than the A6M5, and that they
    can now face the A6M3.

  102. I swear it must be opposite day everyday at Gaijin. Whatever complaints
    about the game, that by some miracle make it past the draconian forum
    censorship, Gaijin reads and then goes ahead and does the exact opposite of
    what could be considered a fix for the complaint.

    I haven’t played in several months now, my only contact with the game is
    via Jingles, Phly, Baron, Magz (of course :P) and a couple of other
    channels, and what I’ve been seeing and hearing is just pushing me further
    away from the game. I kinda feel sorry for Phly and Baron as they need to
    keep nice with Gaijin to support themselves, but I’ve noticed that they’re
    doing more custom battles now rather than regular gameplay, reading between
    the lines there points to them not being happy either.

  103. Seriously gaijin, listen to your player base… If not this game will just
    go into the bloody ground…..

  104. MagZ I totally agree with everything you said. I have almost all the
    premiums in the game over the last few years. Jets on PC and PS4 and I said
    today that it will be my last time playing for a long time. I have almost
    1000 hours with this game open in steam and I can’t take it anymore

  105. People who play German forget the IS-2 has an almost 30 second reload…
    the tiger two reloads in like 8 or something? but its nearly a third of
    what the IS-2 reloads…

  106. PrussianLineInfantry

    You know, I find whenever Gaijin fucks something up astronomically, I
    always enjoy the next update more for some reason

  107. Have you seen the repair cost of the J2M3? It was almost 50,000 SL and
    spaded its 59,000 SL

  108. Bang on, mate. You’ve saved me the bloody trouble.

    Shared.

  109. I’m looking for someone to play War Thunder with preferably someone who
    plays on PS4. If your interested shoot me a friend request. My PSN name is
    TheFireIsOnFire. I play mostly US, Japan, and USSR

  110. I had a arcade battle last night flying only peashooters and
    hawks….fucking thunderbolts and kingcobra are you shitting me?

  111. in my meteor mk3 I am consistently getting into games vs a full team of
    mig15bis. MM working as intended

  112. If they implemented this “balance”to reduce the burden of queueing then
    mission accomplished: Queueing now more fun then playing.

  113. Magz let me correct you, those tank shells don’t have 20 kilos of
    HE filler. Actually the 128mm pzgr 43 for the Maus/Jagdtiger has around
    595g of HE material. The 88mm pzgr39 has around 59 grams of HE filler. The
    same goes for the 122mm is APHE shell. It has around 129 grams.The
    speciality of the new added BR-471D is that it is a shell from 1949 which
    the IS-2 never fired originally. Just the modernised version the is-2m. The
    471D is actually a reverse engineered pzgr39. So it’s a design the russians
    copied from the german pzgr39 after the war.If you are interested in those
    things, check out this
    http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/239151-id-0028815-wrong-penetraiton-values-of-the-kwkpak-44-128l55/#entry4599417russian
    BR-47x shells have between 148-158g of explosive filler. Compared to the
    128mm with its 596g filler pretty poor. But you know how the 122mm performs
    in explosive power….anyway, thanks for this video and your words. It’s
    all just completly true. :/

  114. So another reason to stick to World of Tanks.Hope World of War Planes get’s
    reworked into something better.

  115. Someone asked opinions on the changes in game, I said “It’s just garbage
    what they are doing, and feels like they are intentionally not listening to
    the players.”I was greeted with a 3 day chat ban for abuse. That’s my first
    chat ban, and it’s going to be my only. I’m not playing this crap anymore.

  116. Magztv more ksp please

  117. Gaijin, a Suicide-Company.

  118. When’d you get a 980?

  119. There should be 20 brs in wt

  120. I feel like Gaijin has complete apathy when it comes to their own game.
    That is why I don’t care about Warthunder, cause they refuse to listen to
    their community and don’t fix broken things and just keep pumping out more
    and more planes. It was fun while it lasted but I don’t like playing the
    game anymore.

  121. The name of the outro music in the description is wrong fyi

  122. No one pay for gaijins shit again

  123. Agree with everything, except the part about the Russians. Where I have no
    doubt, that in some areas of the game, the Russians are being, absolutely
    clubbed like the rest of us, I myself still have nightmares of driving the
    IS-1 tank. This patch did favor the Russians for ground forces.

    Like you mentioned, with the new post war ammo type the Russians received,
    is unfair. The Russian late war tanks, are the only late war vehicles, that
    don’t have to fight, post war, Korean war, and 1960 tanks. Every US and
    German vehicle, doesn’t have access to post war ammo. Yet, they are now
    forced to fight, post war tanks. Whether they realized it or not, this
    patch as created a bias, towards the Russians.

    The only tanks the US has to counter the T-10m, IS-4M, T-54, and IS-3. Is
    the M60 and M103.
    The only tank the Germans have, is the Leopard.

    The Russians, have a HUGE selection of tanks, all of which, greatly benefit
    from the recent BR change. All of these tanks, are able to effectively,
    counter the limited number of US and German tanks, that are capable of
    fighting back. And even more notably, completely and utterly decimate every
    tank, unable to fight back effectively.

  124. Id make a remaster of war thunder

  125. I stopped playing War Thunder at the start of the year hoping that it would
    get better and I could return…I guess not :(

  126. Damn they must be smoking some good bath salts then If they can fuck up
    this good.

  127. Back to WoT

  128. even before this I was fighting the F2H banshit in my n1k2 every game

  129. Give the IS 2 a shell they never had in the war, have every APCR round
    bounce or just no penn a russian tank! all is good . Might as well nerf all
    US and German rounds just to make sure the game is historically right?? It
    just amazes me how fucked up this game has gotten in the last 8 months. May
    be time to let it rest for awhile and go play something else.

  130. What the fuck prompted them to add that shell for the is2? The is2s were
    just fine without it and it never used it anyways so fucking why?

  131. I love it how Gaijin constantly complains about the player numbers of War
    Thunder and how it’s not even close to numbers World of Tanks achieve…
    They’ve been slowly killing their very own game with each and every
    “rebalancing” update, yet they blame everything on the playerbase and will
    outright ban people from their forums if they dare say a words against the
    wisdom of the vodkacoders.

    This is getting fucking ridiculous. As much as I love War Thunder, I just
    want it to die already, I just can’t watch this misery. And think about it,
    right now, only high-tier planes and tanks are unplayable, but you can
    fucking bet they’re gonna expand this bullshit system to every tier and
    every br. Whelp, time to have as much fun below 5.7 as I can before Gaijin
    axes their own game.

  132. How do you even play with such high ping? Move to the real world and off
    that island of yours! :P

  133. Never got into War Thunder beyond yours and Squire’s videos, but being into
    Games Workshop games the past five years or so I can sympathize with a
    company huffing paint before making important changes to their games.

  134. Vampire plz

  135. Well, at least the T-34s have been increased along with a decrease for
    various Panzer 3s and 4s. Tier 2 and 3 tank battles are much more balanced
    now IMO. Shame about Tier 4 and 5 since air battles were fairly well
    balanced before this.

  136. My favourite match, was being in a P-47 “Hilterbolt”, and running into an
    entire team of P-51s. Balance? Nope.

  137. “I underestimated the strength of vodka and bath salts”

  138. I think Gaijin just doesn’t get that to lower queue times, they have to
    make the slow tiers more attractive to play, not make more vehicles be able
    to fight each other.

  139. Can you please to a call to arms to get people to boycott the game and stop
    playing entirely? No one can be drunk enough to notice 2000 players
    disappear almost overnight. I laugh when I do (rarely) come back to war
    thunder and it asks me if I want to renew my premium account and I get
    frustrated that there isn’t a fuck no button. I sort of would like
    youtubers such as yourself to stop posting regular war thunder content or
    better yet shine light onto how gaijin does crap like this and then gets
    away with it by dropping little things the community likes like enduring
    confrontation or sometimes even patches, seriously I’ve got $10 on them
    releasing 1.53 next week to suppress the outrage surrounding this

  140. When i was in my p-80 i was vsing german mig-15 bis’s quite a lot

  141. For now 5.3 seems to be working for ground forces, but they have killed
    6.7. Not only 7.7 tanks are ruining everything, but their stupid is2 buff
    is beyond everything I can say.

  142. “vodka and bathsalts” That is fucking gold

  143. I’m done with this damn game. Haven’t played for a month, let my premium
    run out, and don’t plan on keeping it on my hard drive much longer.

    It’s such a fucking shame, too, WT was at its core a well-built game that
    offered an experience nothing else does. I wish there were a similar option
    to move to that didn’t mean downgrading to WG-style games or committing to
    a full sim and all of the equipment required to really play competitively.

  144. Complete aids is what this patch is. Just got back from playing on it and
    it was 100% BS. My highest tank is the Tiger 2 P and it’s BS to meet up
    with a MAUS, IS3 and shit like that.

    I can’t even pen them unless I somehow maneuver around them (which doesn’t
    happen thanks to my slow speed)

  145. I dont think gaijin eeven cares about realistic, as I see it, they always
    tend to favour arcade

  146. I don’t understand how Gaijin thinks any of this is a good idea… Can’t
    they just see the community response to it and realise that it’s a f**king
    stupid thing to do that’s only going to lose players. The only reason the
    bloody queue times are supposedly too long for you, Gaijin, is that no-one
    is playing your game because you’re ruining it, thus no matches. Rant over.

  147. I refuse to play low tier because of how imbalanced it is. Reserve aircraft
    against 2.7 aircraft is completely unfair. I’ve started only playing
    combined arms in my 105mm gun Sherman to avoid the imbalanced mess of air
    RB.

  148. Good work Magz, saying it how we all feel. In some sad way Im glad they
    made this system, it has broken the game to an almost unplayable level and
    definitely an unenjoyable state and finally we “might” see some real change
    come from it as the numbers are going to show gaijin just what the
    community thinks by leaving.

    I dont know if its incompetence or arrogance in the Gaijin management
    structure but they have a few very bad decision makers over there ruining
    one of the most promising online games to ever hit the web. I definitely
    see a lot of decisions implemented system wide from .. sadly.. arcade
    stats, where they make their money. RB players get the fallout from what
    happens to the flight models and br thats meant for arcade with only some
    lazy tweaks to make them ready for RB. I guess they have given up on RB and
    Sim modes where the real play happens and the core of the community thats
    loyal and dedicated to playing for many hours a day dwell.

    The only way to get some real changes done it seems is if a wealthy fan is
    to bribe someone to get it done, as is the russian way (seriously , its how
    things just work over there) any millionaires out there want to help us
    out? :D

  149. I’m the 420th like. Fate is telling me something here….

  150. All i get is korea in my mig9 and am always against at least 3 F-25s -_-

  151. I better stick with that bloody ship game and something else. I’ve never
    regret dropping War Thunder a couple of months ago.

  152. Fleet Master Gruber

    I think you’re spot on with one of the reasons why the new matchmaker isn’t
    working. But you’re missing another big reason, and it’s a big part of why
    you saw the team comp that you saw on that enemy team: Not enough people
    play Axis jets. Most jet players are flying American or Soviet jets, with
    some British jets sprinkled in as the 3rd most populous jet tier. But there
    just isn’t a large enough German jet playerbase to make this matchmaker
    work. My guess would be that if you had flown out one of the Meteors
    instead, you’d see the matchmaker actually working… and still get clubbed
    because all the fucking Sabres can now fight all the Meteors.

    At the very least I can still get enjoyment out of Banshee pilots trying to
    turnfight my Spitfires. Never gets old.

  153. I made some test flights with the banshee. here the results.
    Banshee fucks germans even more now. Thats sad cause i wanted to fly out
    the german jets the next days.. -.-
    Banshee vs. britain was more or less balanced.
    Mig15’s fuck banshee.

  154. I’m usually pretty lax and adamant on Gaijin “experiments” on the players,
    but come on man. All the forums were saying this was gonna end badly (even
    the RU forums) and yet they shipped this out regardless. I just can’t
    support this game anymore. It takes allot to make me leave a game, but
    Gaijin is really trying hard here. Think I’ll just go to Armored Warfare
    for a bit and take a break from WT. I’ll keep waiting for that “miracle”
    patch that will fix all the problems. Doubt it’ll ever come, but it’s the
    only thing stopping me from uninstalling the game.

  155. Gaijin logic 2.0 😉 at your service!

  156. Well I won’t be buying premium time or anything. but I still love flying my
    planes. Just aced in a match the first F4u-1a. But took critical tail
    damage and steep dive=no fun. Anyway keep up the awesome work.

  157. I did not play other planes and i imagine it is horrible, but just for the
    sake of the A5sabres in the video, as i play only the A5 now i can honestly
    say they get screwed as much as the other planes. I had 10battles with it
    since the new BR and it was always full team of F2H and sometimes even a
    bearcat vs a shitload of Mig15bises and Mig9s…F2s are nowhere to be found
    and A5 especially stock A5 is horrible and the M3 sparkmachine guns just
    wont work.. I had a match with the other guy in the A5 and we managed to
    rack up 6 assists 1 kill and put 800 rounds to mig 9 and he still would not
    go down I was the last guy on the team and i had to ram him so we only won
    by points and that was the only win in A5 i got since the new BR.. not once
    have I seen the germans

  158. It’s not often we can sit and watch as mismanagement kills an already
    released game.

    Usually we have to wait for the game to come out before we see bullshit
    like this ruining a game.

  159. The only thing more retarded than these BR’s would be if they introduced
    the Panzer 1000 Ratte at BR 5.7

  160. every single major update this game which was amazing keeps getting worse

  161. I think I will stick to Low and medium tier Japanese. I hate Jets anyway.

  162. Hey Magz i was wondering if you would do a battle in the Bf109 E-3, its one
    of my personal favourite aircraft and is a lot of fun! 🙂
    BTW what state are u from?

  163. When Magz swears you know shit has gotten real

  164. Also if these were bad enough Gaijin is now censoring the community, it is
    blatantly clear that they are like a spoiled, only child who when they
    don’t get what they want or are criticized they just tell everyone to shut
    up and let them have their way

  165. Wonderful.. my 262 has to fight Banshees, and my Tiger II has to fight is-2
    with post-war ammo.. when it’s lucky.. otherwise is T10m and t54……. All
    hail the motherland i guess.

  166. The explosive filler values were a bit off, Magz. APHE shells have filler
    measured in the range of dozens or hundreds of grams, not kilos. You were
    thinking of the respective HE shell values, but applied them to the APHE
    shells. The point still stands though.

  167. I can’t remmember how well the 20 tier system worked with less aircraft. I
    remmember it being very good but that is probably me excited playing this
    game…

  168. Maybe gaijin is just closing war thunder and making it worse and worse
    until we are happy it’s gone XD

  169. I’ve almost given up playing american tanks, since i was trying to up the
    2.0 tanks 37 mm guns, fighting t-34s ALL THE BLOODY TIME! You guess it,
    impossible to kill, and i was dead in a second with a sneeze. I agree with
    you 140% Magz, i would wait 2-5 minutes even if to have a good and balanced
    match.

  170. HAHAHAHAHA this video was locked on the forum because of PROFANITY and
    XENOPHOBIA? the hell are the mods smoking

  171. Gaijin have definitely been on the Krokodil…

  172. You forgot to add in krokodile to the list of vodka and bath salts…

  173. Gaijin really needs to pull their head out of their ass otherwise this game
    won’t be around for much longer. Steamcharts indicate that the game has
    lost around half of its playerbase in half a year and I can definately see
    why. It just isn’t fun anymore because you get constantly shafted by the
    ridiculous BRs. As an example, having to fight Korea war F2H in the first
    ME262 just isn’t fair. The F2H outperforms you massively in evry way and
    now they’ve made it even worse. I’m done playing this…

  174. Flying Germans is just a joke at this point. I was in the arado c-3 and
    flew against 4 sabers. Just a fucking joke.

  175. You know it’s fucked up when even the enduring confrontation test shows 9.3
    as the highest BR, even though 8.3 is the highest, WTF!?

  176. It isn’t like Gaijin are lazy, they purposely fuck up the game and do the
    opposite of what the community suggests.

  177. “theres no anti-german-bias”. fuck you gaijin.
    everyones complaining about the long queue times for Russian GF at >7.0BR
    now. why? cause everyone plays Russia now.
    uninstalled the game yesterday. its enough for me.

  178. the day it was announced I took a good look at this and already said
    exactly what you said magz. I knew this was going to be bad. it’s only
    gotten worse in practice. they really do need to revert these changes. over
    compressing in T5 jets was present but manageable, in tanks it was crazy
    and it has only gotten worse. an M46, M26 cannot kill a T10M or IS4
    anywhere but from behind… they have to be a special kind of stupid to die
    now as long as they kill the enemy 7.7s ASAP after that free reign for them
    as they are practically invincible due to the russian alround armor. the
    M60 though dangerous has extremely weak turret and side armor, the M103
    same issue. Leo is alround weakly armored but the Maus at least can be
    penetrated by APCR or from a flat side (at short range). in T5 tanks the
    Russians are even more OP as they were.

  179. so basically 6.7 is not an option in tanks….sigh ffs. Also I would play
    my T32 to get away from the machine gun ROF Finderp rounds in the
    game….and now I get them every farking game…..jesus Christ they are
    retarded.

  180. great video magz, and its all good saying quantitative MM dosnt work but it
    does, only for certain nations that have roughly equal balanced BRs for
    each other, the problem with quantitative MM is the BRs being compressed
    not the actual matchmaker, if they returned the BRs back to their old state
    nd raised the BR of some planes *cough F”H cough* it would work quite well
    or at least form my experience. this si going totally of BR wise now not
    capability of the plane, i have flown matches in ever nations and their has
    been an equal number for usa vs uk, usa and uk vs russia, and for with
    germany, the problem is the BRs being retarded. having said this i am not
    happy with it, but imo the main opinion is the BR however i would like them
    just to role back and remove it all, id rather have predictably bad MM (all
    bottom vs al top of the Br bracket for a match, tier 4 japan springs to
    mind)than totally random MM

  181. Wargaming should buy WT franchise just to implement thier MM. Hate all you
    want but WG does a pretty good job at balancing the games they make

  182. http://i.imgur.com/29FZLox.jpg

    two years ago Scarper was bullshiting us that “we should give new MM more
    time, problems will be fixed” … well, that was a lie. We gave it two
    years, things got progressively worse. And now this abomination. This isn’t
    game development, this is game sabotage.

  183. Csongor Felfalusi - Ilyés

    Armored Warfare is almost in OBT :)

  184. I have never seen developers being so disconnected to their own game. This
    whole fuckup renders me speechless.

    I’ve been playing WT since 1.27 and despite all the fuckups in the past I
    was mostly still enjoying it. But there is only so much bullshit I can take
    and this time around I’m 100% convinced that Gaijin is going to sink this
    ship hard, making me not willing to waste any more time on this game.

  185. Yewhew, Pacifica, Scarper, Stona.

    YOU SUCK FLACCID COCK!

  186. You are on their shitlist now…

  187. as a new war thunder pilot i mostly pay arcade although i sometimes play
    simulator and ive noticed that some of the planes dont handle or respond
    that well or are outclassed by others until they are fully upgraded

  188. Gaijin is company most like is a company 100% made out of “Fachidioten”

    wtf did i just write??

  189. gaijin drank too much vodka before releaseing this update

  190. MESSAGE 4 THE PLAYERS : Stop playing warthunder until they fix this
    shit.There is no other way to attract their attention.

  191. Quantitive MM alone would actually maybe even have done good! But no, but
    fuck no…. Gaijin has to fuck up

  192. Yes comrade! We listen to community; they said something with MM, we are
    always drunk so our hearing and memory is no good anymore! So we did
    something with MM! Like community wantend! And on that bombshell we end
    this game’s lifespan!!!

  193. so the have fuck it up agen

  194. Haven’t played War Thunder in about a year. A beautiful game, brilliant
    engine, lovely idea, ruined by idiotic balance and game design decisions.

  195. I’m convinced Gaijin doesn’t actually want people playing jets or high-end
    props, they’re just constantly fucking up MM. Of course it also has
    push-down effects on lower-tier planes too.

  196. The IS-2 was always capable of penetrating every german vehicle frontally
    except for the Jagdtiger, Maus and Ferdinand.
    It is just capable now to wreck the Ferdi as well. KT drivers are just so
    blended with their super uber hullfront that nothing can pen them, but the
    turret is pathetic. Still, KT shouldn’t face a T-10M.

  197. Let’s pray that Gaijin listen to us….

  198. This is what happens when no one on the fucking dev team actually plays
    their own fucking game and completely disregard the opinion of the people
    that actually do.

  199. I didn’t know it was this bad… When I flew the sea Jesus I was wondering
    why there were so many Sabres!

  200. To find out what the community wants, all Gaijin has to do is look in
    Magz’s videos… I think they might be trying to screw this game up so that
    they can make a birds of steel 2 and get people hyped for it.

  201. You can pen M-103 from front with the 122mm

  202. IS-2M (mod 1956 did use that shell) gaijin should add this tank and out it
    at 7.0

  203. Russian community asks for the same things international one does. Russian
    community complains about the same things international community does.

    The difference is that instead of select people crying “russian bias” it’s
    select people crying “US bias”

  204. Hazey “Hazey652” Battlefield Pilot

    While you are correct on almost everything magz, the new shell for the
    IS-2’s is not even that big of a problem the PzGr 39/43 is still better in
    every way to the BR-471D except for HE filler and thats it. It was added to
    give the T4 russian tanks a chance at the MAUS and since all of T4 is
    getting shat on by T5 tanks regardless its a non factor.

  205. I would’ve completely agreed with your statements in the video, if it were
    not for the IS-2’s shell, You seem to be forgetting, that all 6.7 russian
    tanks have a four man crew, with 3 of them being inside the turret. A
    single round penetrating the turret of a T-44, IS-2, IS-2 mod ’44, T-34-100
    or frontal armour of a Su-100, or Su-122p or ISU-122S will knock out the
    tank in one hit, even a Panther’s ap shell will likely get the same result,
    especially after them having added the spalling damage to the game. and it
    doesn’t help that the turret is often the weakest part of these russian
    machines.(Looking at you, T-44)This shell also doesn’t make that big of a
    difference, the 122mm gun was penetrating the turret of a King tiger
    before, same result now, It was penetrating the upper plate and lower plate
    of a panther and Jagdpanther before, same result now, it still has a WAY
    inferiour reload and muzzle velocity to the KwK 43 88mm gun, aswell as the
    IS-2 having inferiour frontal armour, lower plate, turret armour, turret
    traverse rate, accuracy, number of crew members, gun depression and
    penetration.The IS-2 mod ’44 really needed a small buff, and now it’s
    gotten it.I hope this didn’t come off as complaining about your video or
    anything along those lines, becauseI do respect your opinion and honesty
    about the subject matter.

  206. I feel like they wouldn’t wake up if the money stopped flowing in, either.
    They’d just say “oh well, looks like people don’t care about this game
    anymore” and pull the plug on it.

  207. Simple math Magz
    Allies won the war. Germans are evil.
    Eu and Russians dont spend money=noone cares about what they want.
    Allies spend alot of money on the game= they are always right.
    This is the moment when reality shakes your imaginary game world.
    There is no balance in capitalism.

  208. Sooooo, business as usual at Gaijin HQ….. Magz this has been happening
    since they dropped the 20 Tier system and replaced it with the retarded BR
    system. Since 1.37 this game has slowly been digging its own grave.

  209. Well, I have moved back to 5.3 in tanks already. much better balanced, and
    no seal clubbing in sight.

    I have set my T10, Is4 and T54’s back in the garage. Clubbing was fun for a
    game or 2, but a challenge is much, much more rewarding.

    GO KV2!

  210. Magz, the one who says how it really is. Couldn’t have said it better.

  211. 122mm br-471d filled with 20kg of explosive? lol…

  212. George Balanesc (LuftwaffleMuffin)

    i was laughing so hard with the wonna guys about this .. we were sure
    you’ll say this xD
    this is just proper fucking of the community,what happen to companies that
    doesn’t listen no community ? ask EA xD

  213. S. “Mialisus” Shadik

    But, why did Gaijin do it?
    Why?

  214. I am so glad i have not been playing since last month I dont miss it a bit
    especially with this new matchmaker

  215. Tried to grind upgrades on my FW190 D12 yesterday. Spent the whole day
    chasing F2Hs and P80s.

  216. I completely agree with you. I’ve had only one match on my mig-9 that
    wasn’t a total failure. I got paired up with many F9Fs, and on all the
    tries I only got one kill. On the first version of the Meteor. As of now
    the matchmaking is broken and War Thunder just isn’t worth playing. If this
    doesn’t change, I may as well just give up on the game entirely.

  217. Unlocked my Ho 229 last month, saw this update coming along and saw the
    imminent death of me ever touching it again.

    Hooray.

  218. When they first proposed these changes they received about 50 pages of
    complaints on the English and Russian forums and about 600 angry comments
    on Reddit. They then release the changes in their entirety. ‘Provide
    feedback here comrade )))’

  219. ORYG1N - Variety Gaming Channel

    And everyone always thought I was jut raging for the fucking sake of it.
    This game is broken Russian garbage and they will continue to make idiotic
    adjustments that somehow always seem to help Russian vehicles end up
    better.

  220. I’m not even surprised about this.
    Gaijin did it before and they will do it now. This decision can only come
    from Devs which never played the game. In my 1000 of hours in War Thunder
    i’ve never seen a dev in a match. Only staff i saw were Moderators with 500
    Battles.

    When i saw the BR changes on the forums i could not believe my eyes. Every
    overtiered jet has not even been touched. What are you going to do in a
    Kikka with 50 or 100 rounds of sparkles vs a F9F or F86?! The He162 is not
    better than any of the Yak jets yet it still sits at 6.7. The Arado B-2 is
    currently the most useless plane in War Thunder. It was bad before and
    still is bad now. Every propfighter in Era IV can catch it and it has to
    fight Postwar koreajets. Hell, even some Tier III can catch it. Your only
    defense is your speed that’s the reason it was build for in the first place
    (there were some variants with 2x 20mm turrets in the rear).

  221. wonder why do they keep killing the game… the new BRs are total BS in
    most cases, but i was also really pissed off seeing that I have to re-spade
    lots of aircraft, including the really atrocious ones, reserves,
    hydroplanes, catalinas, etc., seeing that an injection for he-51 is
    currently 1100 rp, im quitting the game at least for now.. gg gaijin, greed
    rules

  222. Threads, be it rant or reasonable and peaceful talks are being locked by
    the mods.
    I think mods are trying to provoke war with the members.

    http://prntscr.com/8kawq2

    The guy was telling people DO NOT leave the game yet Stona locked it down
    for no reason.

  223. What Gajin did here should be a candidate to the worst patches in a history
    of gaming.

    Seriously… I’m amazed they actually went for that when community been
    saying them that it’s a horrible idea ever since they showed the table with
    BR changes for the first time.

  224. Just under 2 months ago my premium ran out. I thought “Just in time, Gaijin
    recently stated that SB has no abuse and we’re all just making shit up.
    Wonderful. My money for your game just became as non-existent as SB bomber
    abuse is to you”

    Then this happens. I uninstalled. I simply am not in a position to keep
    playing a game that actively pisses me off, run by a company that actively
    ignores issues they cause and disrespects the playerbase so consistently,
    all the while pretending they’re the victims because they can’t take any
    God damn criticism.

    At the time my premium ran out, I gave the game 2 months. Call it a bit of
    confirmation bias, but here we are at 2 months and about 75% of the usual
    players are gone. I shed a single tear, not for Gaijin or WT, but for the
    people who supported this game that have been abused by it and keep
    returning like a fucking battered housewife to an abusive husband. My
    advice for you all: Just leave. Let the game die quickly, and end your
    suffering (wow, I’m sounding a bit over-dramatic, aren’t I?)

    At least we still have IL2. Buying a joystick is a better investment than
    spending another hour for free on this game

  225. Woooow, what a video and what a piece of critique! Excellent presentation,
    and I have to say I agree with your standpoint!

  226. jfjhjf ytrhjy rtgertfg

    What Gaijin Studios should do is (coming from a very frustrated T34- 1941
    driver that faces M4A2 76Ws and Pz IV Js)
    Minimum Br- 1.0
    Maximum Br- 10.0
    In battle difference of +0.5 -0.5.
    Reserve tier at Br 1.0 except the I15, at 1.3.
    Planes’ battle rating depending on era and what they faced in real life.
    Americans out of Norway map.
    Tanks Br depending on effective armour thickness and gun performance
    relative to type of tank.
    In Korea map put CL13A Sabre on allied side as counter to MiG15 and
    MiG15bis. Berlin map to be Yanks and Jerrys v. Russia at high tier (cold
    war) and Yanks and Russians v. Jerrys at lower tiers. If British tanks are
    a thing, put the Brits always on Yank’s side, so a tier five matchup would
    be
    Centurion T54
    M103 T10M M60 T54
    Leopard IS4M
    M42 ZSU57

  227. precut ziplock (precutziplock)

    Thank you for making this video… I hope they open their ears and eyes and
    see how frustrating this “Fix” has been for us. RB jet battles… Ha!

  228. Fuck this game and russian devs.

  229. i like how players give very good solutions how to fix br and gaijin does
    exact opposite of that. i thought that people in gaijin are mentally
    retarded but now i think they are doing this intentional just to troll
    player base

  230. much balance so gaijin,
    saw a fw 190 a5u2 in a mig 15 bis battle xD

  231. I wonder if Gajin play their own “updated war thunder” well they should and
    see what we’re struggling with xD

  232. If only there was another Game like warthunder just without the bs…. :(

  233. Tip: dont play Shit Thunder anymore till its fixed.

  234. Now magz is a good time to play some more DCS! I really love those vids ;)

  235. Yup, i 100% agree with you magz. The first thing I experienced was getting
    into a match with my Meteor mk8 as soon as i saw the changes. The first
    thing i saw when i spawned on to the runway, was a Meteor mk3 (the first
    meteor) right next to me. At first i was thinking “Oh, just another
    fail/troll squadroon.” Then i looked at the scoreboard and realized he
    wasn’t in any squad. Who’s the drunk idiot thinking the earliest jet should
    fly with the latest one! I then proceded to clubbing tiny mig-9s in my
    meteor mk8

    I’m not touching jet battles for a while…
    …and i’m happy i never spent any money on this game, even though it is
    the sh**est grind ever…
    (to put that into picture: with no premium, it takes 500 kills to spade a
    meteor mk8)

  236. I quit this game 3 months ago. It seems like this game is not ready for
    live with these ridiculous changes that destroys everything.

  237. im just happy that i dont have to play low BR german jets

  238. I haven’t been playing WT much lately, but I was curious to see if the new
    MM was an improvement. Ahh well. I picked up Rise of Flight so I guess I’ll
    play that instead.

  239. right, right, im not defending them, just trying to lessen the pain, at
    least wit the br changes the pnz3/4s no longer fight with tigers,

  240. Magz, a powerful message falling on deaf ears (Gaijin)!!!!!!! Sprog1 in AZ.

  241. Gaijin has failed as a company

  242. Amen Magz….exactly my thoughts. War Thunder is dead for me as long as
    they dont fix this shit…

  243. Gaijin did the worst mistake ever. I think that after BR changes a lot of
    people will leave WT. In high tier battles win only americans because of
    F-2 Sabres or because of sh*tty enemy squads.
    One time in MiG-15bis battle I had in team 3 MiG-15bis 5 La-15. Almost full
    enemy team were F-2 sabres and one Meteor F.8.
    Poor MiG-9 have to fight vs F-25 and A-5 Sabres. On hokkaido Vampires fight
    vs F-2 Sabres.
    What can I say??? Only f*ck you Gaijin.

  244. The only positive change is the br reduction for the late Panzer IVs and
    IIIs, the rest is really and absolute catastrophy

  245. In soviet Russia. Game developer gives feedback to YOU.

  246. The reason is2 got these shells is because it has to face the maus witch in
    the first place was not penitrateble, so they add the new round so u can
    pen it but you can also kill all the other tanks way to easy so ye it’s
    unfait

  247. I fully support this.

  248. They just dont´fucking understand it. Russian cunts.

  249. Can’t wait to fight against reserve aircrafts in MiG 15 like in times when
    open beta just started and it will really happen because there will be no
    players to play with.

  250. N4N0_D0G3 ᴼᴿᴵᴳᴵᴻᴬᴸ

    plays g-14, encounter hortens, ok… enemy teqam appears…p-80s…

  251. This explains why i’ve been facing F-86 F-25 Sabres at a BR of 8.3 against
    my stock vampire at BR 7.3

  252. Gaijin had to be a pain in the ass for as long as War thunder’s lifetime,
    making the community’s feedback fall on deaf ears ‘n’ drop Russkie shit all
    over us…

  253. I’m glad that WG does not do this kind of shit. They listen to the players.
    For instance there was an idea of reworking the armor penetrations of
    high-tier guns. They released the patch notes, and every player disliked
    it. And so they calcelled the whole thing.

    But Gaijin thinks Gaijin does. They are going to push it down into our
    throat. Maybe after a year from now on they change something again. It’s a
    shame that they ruin this great game even more. 🙁

    (Sorry for the grammar mistakes, I hope it still makes some sense.)

  254. “Apparently I underestimated the strength of vodka and bath salts.”

    [ENGINE COMPARTMENT ON FIRE]

  255. gaijin is really just a bunch of shitheads, no brains but arrogant as all
    hell. jewhew, stona, pacifica, scarper… one dumber then the other but all
    living a lie.

  256. Ha, this probably explains why I spotted you on Elite Dangerous the other
    night.
    looks like I won’t be re-installing Thunder for a lot longer then.

  257. armored warfare has public test (open to all) right now.
    just sayin.

  258. at least with planes u have a chance of killing them
    try tiger 2h vs t10m….. no chance at all………..

  259. lmao magz I couldn’t of said it better myself… gaijin high on bath salts
    and drunk of vodka xD.

  260. easy fix: play low tier sim

  261. Nice. I’ like to play with Spitfire mk 24 vs Mig 15 . It’s fun to be
    hopeless…… From now, i’ will research my meteor mk3 with a Spitfire Mk
    IIb because i have a slim chance to find in game someone without jet engine
    and kill him.

  262. Things are going to look even worse for tanks after the patch hits. The
    PT-76 they are adding has already appeared on the Chinese server at a BR of
    5.7. Yes that’s right, a Russian Cold War tank with 200mm penetration
    HEAT-FS shells is going to be the same BR as the Tiger I or Panther, it
    will be able to go through both at any range it can hit them from.

  263. Korpen - Tank & Strategy Games

    WTF WT!? Well said Magz!

  264. I just uninstalled the game.

    Don’t want to play it anymore.

    It is hard to find enjoyment in it now.

    Worse yet, while the game could be saved, the player-base has grown toxic
    over the years.

    Sorry.

  265. Omg Gaijin

  266. well, looks like i’m getting a banshit myself :P

  267. I went into a fast tanks Rb in my Is 2 1944 and what do i not see a
    freaking T10m if this is ballanced well than i can go and eat my own shit

  268. Feeling itself at his BR ))))))

  269. Constantia Czino makes me sick. All I ever see him flying is the F2 and
    F2H. And he’s in KLAN. Pathetic…

  270. Serralharia Nova de Gache

    They did a good think at least they low the repair costs of many planes, so
    gaijin they arent an angel but they arent a devil too.

  271. i had to fight 3 sabres in my 229
    gaijin PLEASE

  272. And you know what, they are STILL going to make money off the suckers who
    buy the premium vehicles. Ever notice every time they release a fuk up,
    they have a new batch of over hyped, unnecessary premium vehicles ready and
    waiting? This time it was very clever, 5 premium British tanks BEFORE the
    tree is even ready for launch? For every player that stops spending money
    out of protest, 2 more suckers will buy the premiums and keep fueling this
    incompetence.

  273. honestly I really don’t care, just play the god damn game, pilot’s always
    makes the difference

  274. my vampire vs sabre mid and top tiers as well as panther f5’s seems fair
    ammirite :/

  275. MagZ it’s all cool and dandy but even implying that BR system can work in
    RB (it can work better than it works currently but it will never work as it
    should) or SB is a little bit naive. This system for the end user – in
    other words player – is copy&paste of 20Tier system with majority of
    improvements sitting on Gaijin’s QoL list. I don’t think we should pursue
    improving system that is broken in it’s very core. It’s system perfect for
    arcade and simply doesn’t cope very well with historical restraints in
    planes behavior and performance.

  276. Well, someone’s pissed off. With all the right to be!

  277. They also removed Status Updates from the main page… censorship much
    gaijoob ?!?!?!?!

  278. I’ve actually gone back to WOT because of this…

  279. Why is gaijn is fuck up on dis game

  280. lets see how long it takes before gaijin “accidentally” flags your video
    for copyright infringement and they try to bully you into silence ;)

  281. Totally agree with you, Magz.

    I play warthunder since 2013 and i never saw this game so fucked up, for
    real, this BR changes and new MM makes no sense. Never underestimate the
    power of vodka.

  282. Oooh this gon’ be gud!

  283. Nice video explaining the issues, however it seriously shows you are NOT a
    tanker ;)

  284. Magz. I’m prepared to give you all of my money. I want you to buy a plane
    ticket to Gaijoob’s HQ… Give ’em hell. Please. For us, the pilots. o7

  285. I just bought permiun like 10min before the patch was dropped FML.

  286. PrussianLineInfantry

    You know, my relationship with this game can be pretty much summed up in
    the following:

    She lies and says she still loves him! Can’t find a better man!

  287. Everyone expecting something good from gaijin is just stupid they made
    other great games into rubbish before with their patches that have their
    origin in their consume of krokodil. There is no other way for me to
    explain the mind boggling stupidity that they show each time they release a
    patch in any game.
    Good job gaijin keep on the good work like in other games and live the
    krokodile drug dreams in your games :)

  288. The mm is so annoying

  289. RU bias exist = ground forces

  290. Gaijin, ya done goofed up. I WANT HISTORICAL MATCHMAKING NOT SOME CRAPPY
    MATCHMAKER!!!!! GAIJIN IS A GREEDY RUSSIAN COMPANY THAT WANTS MONEY!!!!

  291. WAR THUNDER IS OFFICIALY BROKEN IM GONNA QUIT WAR THUNDER UNTIL ITS FIXED

  292. GAIJIN IS A PIECE OF CRAP

  293. +MagzTV What version of Windows are you using?

  294. Well said Magz. I’m glad you are being honest about this and not drinking
    the koolaid.

  295. When I heard that quantitative matchmaking was going to be introduced a
    while ago before the BR changes were announced, I was pretty excited “Oh
    wow this will help improve things alot!” is something along the lines I
    told my friend who I was talking to at the time, it still is a really great
    idea but I have to wonder, where did the idea to lower the BRs to the point
    of practical unplayability for anyone just getting into the higher tier
    vehicles come from? And why didn’t they make sure this quantitative thing
    worked before releasing it?

  296. I took part of this fiasco on the forums, Gaijin faced a massive backlash
    from both russian and international community on the forums when they
    proposed these changes, with people stating the exact concerns that are now
    occuring. A week later, they send this live without changing a single damn
    thing. And I’m done. After 3 years with the game, I have uninstalled. This
    has been the single biggest shit I have ever seen a developer take on it’s
    community ever since I started gaming. And I have no reason to take it. Not
    with World of Warships out and Armoured Warfare around the corner. Fuck
    Gaijin and everything they stand for, they will not see a cent from me ever
    again. This has been a sad day for War Thunder indeed, but the good things
    die young I suppose, or rather get mercilessly murdered in this case.

  297. Absolutely love this game! But they’ve absolutely ruined it! British tanks
    aren’t even out and I’m considering packing in playing, they need to fix
    the BRs, not bothered if I’m waiting 5-10minutes for a game….as long as
    it’s worth fighting in. Not the best pilot and too make things worse, I’m
    going to get shit on by players who have jets and know how to use them
    perfectly, 100% not cool!

  298. N4N0_D0G3 ᴼᴿᴵᴳᴵᴻᴬᴸ

    link?

  299. I leave for a school trip with no electronics for 5 days and I come back to
    this? I honestly can’t believe Gaijin was stupid enough to actually
    implement this new match maker. I guess it’s back to Civ V and XCOM for me.

  300. Just in time for the DCS World 1.5 update, eh? Dust off that HOTAS!

  301. I think we need someone to translate the word “FIX” to these
    devs/programmers cuz they don’t seem to understand the difference between
    fix and F’up

  302. And thus, we wait for Jingles’ reaction to the changes.

    If he gets off of his fat arse and stops playing that bloody ship game.

    And does the flying or driving himself.

  303. About the Russian bias…. This wasn’t done to help Russians, but I
    strongly believe bias exist in this game. When you look at planes like the
    yak 3p you will see it. The real problem however is on tanks. When a tiger
    II’s 88mm bounces off of a t-34 57 who is not angled 3 times in a row….

  304. Good video. Gaijin’s dev team are complete trash at making any decisions.

  305. i love gaijin :D

  306. 3:18 DrunkenPeasant

    #TJisGarbage

  307. Yes, comrade, the BR changes are working as intended. Every M26, Tiger II
    and T32 driver was just begging to get slaughtered by glorious T-10Ms and
    IS-3s, and every German pilot was begging to get steamrolled by Uncle Sams
    A-5s, F9Fs, and F2Hs. Wait, what? You mean the Tiger II, M26 and T32 stand
    no chance against a T-10 or IS-3? He-162s can’t compete with A-5s? IVAN!
    Get me a few more bottles of vodka so I can think this through.

  308. man i don’t know how you are able t keep playing this broken matchmaking!

  309. I was play a stock Tiger II (P) and got shit on by an IS-3 so hard I may
    have nightmares.

  310. Totally agree, Gaijin fucked up this big time.

  311. I haven’t been playing this game for over a year but I think this is the
    dumbest thing they have done. If they don’t fix that monstrosity they
    deserve to be taken out and beat to death with the stupid stick

  312. mags, love your vids
    do you think you could put a bit more time into ground forces instead of a
    air battles?

  313. so i encountered a huge problem this evening while accidentally messing
    with my controls for the game i legitimately fucked everything up for
    myself, i am a ps4 player and either i need a gaijin assistant to reset my
    controls or help from you guys, i fixed almost everything and from what i
    can tell the only problem is that when i L2 a locked target my player looks
    but doesn’t drag the cursor to said target it just looks and it is
    extremely uncomfortable please help

  314. Its funny, today Gaijin said they support the UN’s new commitments… End
    extreme poverty- we still have the wheel of poverty… End inequality and
    injustice- doesn’t listen to its citizens… and fix climate change- still
    a climate of heated debates weather Gaijin is either high or drunk.

  315. Not to mention that f2h and mk4 should be 7.7

  316. Lol this was definitely pushed by us pilots not Americans just pilots in
    game that fly us 7.0 br on f2h is proof

  317. To the IS 2 new shell. Somebody asked in CZ forum, why they added this type
    of shell, when its a post war and the IS 2 1944 (Revenge) didnt use them.
    The answer from the devs was ” Its better to add type of shell than another
    IS2, with almost no differences except the type of ammo they use” 😀 And I
    asked, why the hell is the research tree full of I 16s, La, Panthers,
    Tigers, T34s, when there are just small differences like now motor, new
    drag, ammo etc. Gues what, withour answer. Another nail to the coffin by
    this.

  318. BTW Magz, love your videos. You say what is wrong with the game, what
    pisses you off. Thank you! And as you said, my premium acc is also running
    out. They will not get a sigle euro from me. Thank you for this type of
    vids. Keep up the good work!

  319. Forum Thunder moderators suck dick.

  320. ZdrytchX's -{Reference Channel

    Guess What:
    Match Making that was considered dead in Simulator by some players was made
    worse. Last 3 days, had 2 games. Most of the time was spent queueing 5.7 to
    6.7 aircraft but I only had one game in the seafire (which I aciddentally
    exitted instead of minimising my IRC client and consuming a booster
    simultaneously) and a game with the Fockewulf A-1 which pretty much ended
    due to bomber spamming (which they said to have limited, for your
    information).
    So I spent most of my time making user missions with a text editor and
    fighting AI controlled aircraft and in custom battles rather than playing
    random battles.

  321. Žerocookiecake [Karnipex]

    5:23 Sea Meter? Sea Meteor*

  322. And while they are scraing off the western community they ask the biggest
    european clans to join a league to make this game more intresting to the
    west. Gg Gayjin, you fucked up.

  323. Ah sod it. Gaijins never going to change, I reckon I might just throw in
    the towel and give up on this game.

    The game is fun, except when it isn’t, and since about 1.45 or thereabouts,
    the amount of times when it just plain isn’t fun to play due to new patch
    problems has been steadily increasing.

  324. Wait till you see the next patch, probably going to enforce mixed
    matchmaking like they did for tanks to correct these issues.

  325. They should change the year cap higher IMO. So that BR’s will actually
    matter. It’s absolute BS that Axis teams highest tiers cannot compare to
    the allied tiers. They should find a certain point in history wherein
    everything was equal. This is just an opinion, please don’t go on saying
    that there was never a time wherein they were equal. I’m just saying close
    the gap a bit more, and improve the current ones.

  326. Can’t believe I spent money on this Shit game, i was already on edge and
    this new MM has crossed the line for me. No longer am I spending money on
    this…

  327. BRING ANGRYJOESHOW HE WILL FUCK GAIJIN AND FIX THE WHOLE GAME !

  328. TIME TO GET BACK TO TIER 3 GAMES!! :D

  329. Magz I think war in real life was always unbalanced; one side was always
    inching ahead of the other for an advantage and it was always unfair. It’s
    the only way to have a winner and loser. Trying to make a “balanced game”
    is very tough, because that’s not the way war works. Gamers have to take
    into account that sometimes they have to do a lot more with inferior
    equipment to win.

  330. Most balance gam in Union comrade

  331. I aint gonna waste money on a Premium account anymore. They fucked it up
    that badly.

  332. The BR of of the me 262 c-1a is 7.3 not 7.7…

  333. the f2h2 has a br of 7.0 the f86f30 has a br of 7.7

  334. We’ve been asking for a higher max BR for ages now, so they give us a lower
    max BR? Great fucking work, Gaijin, great fucking work. It’s official, WoWP
    is better than WT.

    I am not playing WT anymore until Brit tonks come out or they remove this
    new bullshit MM system

  335. oh yeah and the f2h2 has to fight mig15bis wich it can’t catch or outturn
    or outclimb

  336. Dear Gaijin
    Shooting ones self in the foot is an ill advised strategy
    Please take note…

  337. Hi Magz, Im your fan, I really am, I like the way you comment on the planes
    and the way you play, and today I got an idea that could make an
    interesting viceo, here it is: in my WT progress Im missing one plane to
    unlock my first jet (mig 9) and it gets kinda boring to play that one
    nation in the intension of grinding money and RP, so I went back to lower
    tiered planes to have more fun and forget about the whole grinding thing.
    And then I noticed that most (lots of) players (across all experience
    levels) get altitude and then start looking for tangos. I was like screw
    that and flew my yak 9K super low to the deck looking for anything that was
    brave enough to get that low and surprise the enemy a bit. I can image the
    chaos it would cause if the whole team was cutting grass in some quite
    agile planes against some BnZ’ers, that would be fun. So maybe you could do
    a video that could cover different tactics and their plus and cons- not a
    video about aircraft review – (flying below 1500m, then 1500 – 4000m, and
    then higher, lets say 5500m+) where each altitude has a plane that is quite
    good at it, lets say – yak 9K low, j2m2 (ki61 ko, mc202) in the middle and
    bf109 f-4 (my favourite) high, or just choose any aircraft you find
    convenient for the altitude, each aircraft has BR roughly 3-4, you know,
    and show a different approach to playing than just the standard altitude =>
    kills and if you dont climb youre a fool, cause each plane flies and
    controls different using different tactics or altitude and has some
    advantages and disadvantages and so on. Also taking a Me410 with a bunch of
    other 410s with bombs and striking ground targets or ships and dancing
    through the AAA is so much fun and when the enemy team finally notices you,
    you just go for a head on… Or bf109 with bombs or another favourite bf109
    with the extra gunpods is lots of fun and very few people actually do that.
    Just a huge ‘in your face’, adding more unusual stuff. Anyway thats my
    thoughts, I migh be completely wrong here (probable), If theres no video
    from this, never mind I will enjoy any other video just as much. keep it
    up, cheers

  338. I have been playing this game on and off over the last year. An hour here
    with my friend an hour their. I could never sit down and do a huge gaming
    session because I would grow ever more frustrated. After seeing this video.
    Gaijin, you are killing this game. Man and grow the fuck up. Admit your
    mistake and clean up this mess. I’m not touching this game again. Unless I
    see some drastic improvements.
    – Value and take your player base feedback into account
    – Get rid of the fucking power hungry mods who try to silence anyone who
    even questions you and your game.
    – The matchmaker doesn’t need balancing. The tech tree needs balancing.

    I may even Uninstall my game just to clear up more hard drive space for
    games I actually want to play.

  339. “underestimated the strength of vodka and bath salts.” touche!

  340. Oh this game is fun now in my P-47 lol. In AB the 8 .50s are brutal. i
    don’t touch sim due to not having a Flight Stick.

  341. Quantitative matchmaking on the early tiers would probably be good because
    low and mid tiers are still pretty well balanced. It’s just high tier that
    has the current problem with extreme power discrepancies.

  342. Maybe Gaijin are planning on pulling a Coke move. Introduce something new
    that everyone hates and then removing it and introduce “matchmaker
    classic.”

  343. nice gaijin going good first not completing fucking fm before adding other
    planes then not adding planes they said they would (i want the fucking
    do335) then adding this piece of crap mm system making the mg131 and mk108
    so fucking crap and events so unbalanced and shit (its historical but still
    shit). moral of my story gaijin CANT fucking make a good mm system CANT
    complete fm CANT promise for shit and CANT make guns work

  344. Hello mags, i have been watching ur videos for a while now, and i really
    enjoy your war thunder videos, is there any chance i could add u on war
    thunder and maybe play with you sometime?

  345. Why don’t we protest by writing as most forum posts complaining as possible

  346. can you get past Mach 1 also love the sexy voice

  347. It is so easy to improve the game if they would listen to valid criticism

  348. The game really SUX now ! My german tanks BR 6.7 meet IS4 IS3 T54 M10 = no
    penetration / ricochet / undamaged !
    How can exist such a BOLSHEVIK justice this days in a game !
    – It was very boring for soviets there high tier tanks because they fought
    against each other ! Russian vs Russian
    – So , they lower br high tanks to have some fresh targets : German tanks
    and USA tanks !

  349. (Grabs pop corn) LET THE RIOT BEGIN

  350. No hating here, just my oppinion about this.. but why would Gajin mess up
    this BR and MM issue? What would be their intention in the first place?
    Bias, just seems to be the most obvious answer to me. BUT the most obvious
    answer is sometimes the perfect distraction.

    What i can say for sure is though, that from 10 games i play as the germans
    in RB Tank battles, i lose 9 of em.

    I fear the IS2’s even though they are not indestructable. But i cant see
    why one would think that me playimng in a Panther II against a T 54 47 is a
    fdair match? Or a T32 vs a Tiger II H 8.8cm?? The T32 is more agile than
    the german counterpart, has a better canon and has frontal armos of
    300mm…

    How is that not unfair??

    When i play the russians i never encounter these problems.. all i gotta do
    is aiming with my SU on some area of the german tank.. it will one hit them
    90% of the time or 8% cripple tehm to a point where i jsut have to wait for
    my reload to finish him. “5 of the random shots i do on the tank (without
    aiming for a waekspot) defelct….. this is not balanced imo.

    And who cares if i have to reload 20 seconds if every hit i make is a one
    it, while every german prjectile is denied by an Allied tank?

    Anyone else having this issue? What do you think about it? Pls no rage or
    hate here. I just wanna know where i do stand with my oppinion in the
    community.

  351. To be honest, your aim in the Tiger 2 wasn’t great. You had enough chance
    to destroy those IS-2s.

  352. finally a youtuber that plays warthunder that has the balls to speak up!

    im sick of those youtubers with press accounts that (have to) praise
    everything gaijin does because otherwhise they would looser theyr
    pressaccounts!

    gaijin is shitting on its players big time and it looks like they are just
    getting started!

  353. Well at least I will have more space on my hard drive

  354. so i gues its freedom for all
    americans get the better of this update
    banshe clubfest is back
    and even panthers can get in club mm

  355. I think I’ve just about lost all hope for the competitive nature of this
    game. Such a shame.

  356. This is EXACTLY why I don’t pay for these types of games. Now that they
    have totally ruined the game I can just walk away, no regrets at
    aaaaaalllll

  357. Sorry to say, but you are awful at rangefinding on tanks 😛
    I bet you’re more of a pilot than a tanker, am I right?

  358. Just realised that Gaijin removed the “Status Update” section from the
    Frontpage of their forum – LOL! They couldn´t take it anymore…

  359. I’m with you Magz no longer have a premium account and started playing
    world of war ships much more fun. Do love when you have a big dummy spit at
    Gaijin’s shit MM. You say what we all think. Thanks mate

  360. war thunder community is just a bunch of complainers

  361. you gotta be kidding f86f30 the equal to the cl 13 is at 7.7 wow im ust
    gonna quit warthunder right now unless this is fixed

  362. When this patch came out, I flew my Meteor Mk. 3, and now it’s useless
    because I’m going against aircraft like the Mig-1bis and the CL-13. Gaijin,
    y u do dis to me. :(

  363. No wonder i stoped to play with this game. It is the same shit as WOT.
    Russian game =pieces of shit.

  364. Had my first 3 Jet battles today ever, was in the first meteor. First match
    was ok, second however was a disaster:
    Me and mainly Panthers and one sabre against at least 3 Mig15, 2 Tu28 and a
    Mig15bis! IT was a slaughter, it’s just a pain in the but to fly this way.

  365. I take it then the ten dislikes are the devs!?
    I two will not go premium again, it has expired and will stay expired.

  366. stopped playing this crap of a game half a year ago

  367. What gaijin should do is use the new quantitative restrictions with real
    br. Br should start to be made by the age of the plane and not it’s
    performance. I wouldn’t mind fighting me 262s in my la-7. Pilots could do
    it in the old times. Keep the shitty br for arcade battles and use real br
    for br and sb. Yes it would completely fuck the Russians and Japanese but
    only on the beginning of the 1940s afterwards they would be as good as
    their opponents sometimes better.

  368. Black Metal Daz 666 (Cyberdeath666)

    Ive stop play 6.7- 7+ br tanks and 7.0 jets in AB & RB it’s just fucking
    stupid what they have done I’m just play SB and squadron battles now as I
    can’t get a half decent game in ????

  369. Magz, the game has gone to shit, you’re best having a look at tier 5
    aircraft, 6.7 tanks

  370. I was once in a match with my mk3 (not the sea jesus) going against f2
    sabers… i got shot down within 2 minutes of me taking off.

  371. Gaijin, you’ve fucked up.

    Big time.

  372. So screwed. First match in my Sea Meteor with new MM was a MIXED battle
    (arcade+) against top tier jets, MiG 15s F-2 sabres and Meteor F.8s. I got
    one kill cos a Vampire got stuck in that match too. So. Bloody. Bad.

  373. it sucks. I had just bought premium account time and have only logged in
    about twice in the last couple weeks because things are so screwed now.

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