WoT: AMX 13 90 Review, Completing LT-15 in Prokhorovka / Fiery Salient [“Road to Unicum” Epi 23]

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Source: Taugrim

I review the AMX 13 90, a tier light tank in (WoT), with a replay of a tier 9 () battle.

Stat line: , 3.2k damage, 2.9k assisted damage, 8 spots, 2 kills

I discuss how to complete , the light tank mission that requires 4k+ damage contribution, which is the sum of direct damage and assisted damage.

IMO the most consistent way to reach 4k+ is from hill, because unlike passive scouting on the 1/2 lines, you can fire on tanks and then retreat behind hard cover.

Strengths and Weaknesses
+ excellent camouflage
+ excellent gold round (ACPR with 248 pen)
+ good view range (400m)
+ good burst damage (1440) in a full clip
– poor accuracy (0.38)
– poor gun handling on-the-move
– load clip reload (38 seconds with Vents)
– poor gun depression and rear mounted turret limit hill-fighting capability
– small crew (3) hampers skill acquisition

Comments / Errata:
1. it’s important to stay out of the line of fire when enemy tanks are shooting at your friendlies. E.g. at 3:49, the enemy ’s shell passes within a few meters of my hull, so I move up the hill a bit and point my hull towards the to make my profile smaller. By the same token, I stay away from the friendly , who repeatedly exposes himself to spotting and enemy fire

I talk through how I’m reading the battle as it unfolds and discuss key decisions and mistakes. My hope is that these videos meaningfully help other players improve their gameplay.

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Taugrim

23 Comments:

  1. Bjørnar Magnussen

    Top on damage in a LT in a tier 9 game. That’s why I hate LT autoloaders,
    they can be so damn OP!
    That being said you did have a good game, but damn, I don’t see how the 13
    90 is balanced against the 132 for example.

    Btw, I want to go down the Batchat line, but I’m wondering if the two 13
    75s are worth it. What are your thoughts? How was the grind?

  2. Amazing gameplay, you clearly need to be cold blooded to drive light tanks.
    Thumbs up from me.

  3. i have a simple question ,, why you play with centurion7/1 more battles
    than other tanks even it has less pen with gold ammo
    sorry i do not know or understand HESH ammo even after 13k battle in this
    game

    • Bjørnar Magnussen

      +Taugrim Also the non-gold HESH has such a good pen that it almost renders
      the gold ammo useless!
      It’s going to be interesting next patch when the tier 8 IS-3 will have
      better pen than the tier 9 Centurion. Tanks like the Patton with their gold
      ammo will seem like a much better choice for many players.

    • +mh waso > less pen with gold ammo

      I don’t use gold ammo, so the gold round on the 7/1 is immaterial to me.

      Most players would agree with you that HESH sucks – it’s only situationally
      useful, like against soft targets.

  4. So what’s the best noob tier 8 to learn all the stuff you talk about in
    this video?

    I actually have a 13 90. It’s my only tier 8.

    I find it terrible to drive, partly because I never load gold, partly
    because I have never really used repair kits (I mostly bash around at low
    tiers where it’s not economical), partly because I have never had a sixth
    sense crew on any tank and don’t really have a feel for the spotting
    mechanics, and mostly because I am playing exclusively against tanks I have
    never really played against and don’t know the armor profiles of.

    I find that the 13 90 just doesn’t have the accuracy or penetration or aim
    time to really battle unless you really know how to find weak spots, and I
    just am not there yet once I get past about tier 6, and a couple tier 7’s.
    I don’t make the reads like you do, firing on the superpershing, holding
    your fire against the t-54 turret, etc. I just don’t have that info built
    up yet like I do for tier 5, and am not gaining it, because my 13 90
    collects dust while I mostly play my T1 heavy, my T-28 (not to be confused
    with the T28), and the other really fun tanks.

    Is there a better entry level tank to get experience bashing against tier
    7-10 tanks? Something that maybe doesn’t rely so heavily on knowing exactly
    what your opponent’s armor layout is?

    • +timmie timmins > Which heavy tank line would you recommend? Especially for
      a player who is mainly focused on tiers 7-8

      Either the Soviet IS-7 line or the E-100 line. Both have solid tanks at
      tiers 7-8. At those tiers IS-7 line is probably more popular.

    • +Taugrim yeah, I am aware you don’t fire gold in your videos…. I am just
      also aware that it would probably solve a lot of the problems I have had
      with the AMX line, both the AMX 40 and the AMX 13 75 specifically.

      Thanks for the advice. Which heavy tank line would you recommend?
      Especially for a player who is mainly focused on tiers 7-8, rather than
      necessarily planning on going straight through to tiers 9-10.

    • +timmie timmins > I find it terrible to drive, partly because I never load
      gold

      I’ve never fired gold on this account, my original WoT account. Actually
      never even *loaded* gold onto a tank.

      I don’t use gold ammo because it’s very problematic for tank balance.
      No judgement on players who use it, it is a built-in game mechanic and is a
      powerful tool.
      For the purpose of these educational videos, I think it’s more illustrative
      and helpful to viewers to show how to perform well with silver ammo, as
      opposed to firing a lot of gold.
      > partly because I have never really used repair kits (I mostly bash around
      at low tiers where it’s not economical)

      I didn’t use consumables for the first 1300 battles either, but they pay
      for themselves IMO

      > partly because I have never had a sixth sense crew on any tank

      It takes time to develop crews, but SS is a must-have for light tanks. It’s
      a should-have for mediums too.

      What you can do is use heavies as crew trainers until you reach 100% for
      your 1st skill on a Commander, then retrain them to your light tank(s).

      > I just don’t have that info built up yet like I do for tier 5

      OK, it sounds like you are newer to the game. It does take a lot of time to
      learn the armor layouts for each tank at each tier.

      If you haven’t already checked it out, I highly recommend –
      this site has the 3D model for each tank so you can learn the weak spots.

      > Is there a better entry level tank to get experience bashing against tier
      7-10 tanks? Something that maybe doesn’t rely so heavily on knowing exactly
      what your opponent’s armor layout is?

      Well, light tanks are the most brittle and require the most game knowledge
      to function well.

      For that reason, I would recommend either player heavy tanks and brawling,
      or sniping with TDs, until you learn the tanks at each tier. Then you can
      try mediums and lights.

  5. Great video as always Taugrim.I would love it if you took replays from
    viewers and critiqued them on what they did wrong and what they did
    right,that would be a great series that you could do.

    • +Jonathan Boughton > Thank you for the effort of putting together these
      videos which I find very informative.

      You’re welcome!

      > I would like to see this idea realised because despite all your good
      ideas, when it comes to an actual battle things never seem to fall into
      place so there must be some fundamental problems with implementing you
      advice

      It’s ironic you wrote that.

      Prior to 2008 I used to do written guides only, but people would say “what
      you said doesn’t work” so then I started doing videos showing illustrative
      footage of me doing the things I wrote about. People used to not believe
      me. LOL 🙂

      I think taking the themes and ideas from this collection of videos
      (currently 23), and then refining your gameplay based on insights that are
      helpful to you is the thing.

      I’ve had multiple people tell me they’ve doubled their Recent WN8 to 2k+
      through learning from my videos, but it’s impossible for me to know why
      things are or are not falling into place for you.

      > We sometimes learn more from a mistake than doing to correctly?

      I think it’s more valuable to show people what to do, then to focus on what
      not to do.

      Both are illustrative, however examples of the former are much harder to
      find than the latter.

      I had a pretty big carry tonight in my 13 90 in a tier 10 battle, but I
      make some very bonehead mistakes, so that will probably be the subject of a
      future video.

    • Jonathan Boughton

      +Taugrim Hi Taugrim. Thank you for the effort of putting together these
      videos which I find very informative. I would like to see this idea
      realised because despite all your good ideas, when it comes to an actual
      battle things never seem to fall into place so there must be some
      fundamental problems with implementing you advice. It doesn’t necessarily
      have to be someone else’s replay. Maybe a video of where you made a bad
      judgement call and why? You are happy to point out your mistakes during
      your replays so maybe it just needs a montage of some of those. We
      sometimes learn more from a mistake than doing to correctly?
      Keep up the great work.

    • +Taugrim so weird to have a youtuber reply to my comment lol

    • +robosapieo 232 > I would love it if you took replays from viewers and
      critiqued them on what they did wrong and what they did right

      I’ve been thinking about doing this.

      If anyone reading this comment is also interested, please let me know. If
      there is sufficient interest, I can ask for wotreplays links and see if
      there’s enough submitted to make such a series worthwhile.

  6. Huh, I thought the LT-15 mission required 4k spotting damage. (Going back
    to it I must’ve misread).

    That would’ve made it a lot easier for me to get if I knew I could shoot at
    others, especially since I completed it in my ELC AMX. Oh well, it’s done
    for now!

    • +Xhuri > I thought the LT-15 mission required 4k spotting damage

      That’s how it originally was.

      The missions were reworked and LT-15 was changed from spotting damage only
      to damage contribution.

  7. the 13 90 is a great little tank and can be very enjoyable to play and is
    very powerful no matter what kind of game it ends up in thanks to the 90mm
    auto loader. the only light i have issues dealing with in mine are the
    americans but in general the americans are insanely powerful particularly
    the t71 and m41.

    • +Taugrim
      i thought it was hilarious back when they introduced the m41 that they
      buffed the t71 in basically the next patch even though it was the best tier
      7 light before the m41 came in. but they didnt buff the amx 13 75 which was
      easily the worst of them all and it took them a few patches to buff the on
      the move ability and rof of the wz 131. as far as im aware they never did
      buff the 13 75.

      i actually liked the 13 75 a lot but the ammo count meant you needed to
      make every shot connect or you could run out of ammo and it could cost you
      the game. i finished more games in it with 0 shells remaining than in any
      other tank.

      the 13 90 has the same shell count as the 13 75 but it does near double the
      damage per shot so its not as much off an issue in it.

      after driving the t71 im amazed how bad the 13 75 is in comparison there is
      only one area where the 13 75 is better and thats in clip reload time. the
      t71 has more pen and feels a lot faster and i think has more view range
      too. if the m41 is considered to be a lot better than the t71 then that
      will be insanity.

    • +DEANOGTO > the americans are insanely powerful particularly the t71 and m41

      Yup, power creep FTL.

      The American light tanks are insanely good.

  8. Thank you for your attention to all of the minute details that make up the
    mindset that one should strive for in WoT, Taugrim. Your “Road to” series
    is a master-class series in my humble opinion.

    • +Smackedown > Your “Road to” series is a master-class series in my humble
      opinion

      Thanks, that is high praise!

  9. Haven’t even watched it, but I know it will be a high quality, entertaining
    video. Keep it up, Tau. :)

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